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I know "Game Changer" is a word that marketing folk like to use all to often, but this one really is.

The announcement will be made on June 22nd at 14:00 CET in the mean time here's an image to get you thinking :)

Also...
I can tell you that it's beautiful.

I can also tell you that it's NOT made by Fuji.

I can also tell you that it is made in Sweden.

Indeed. And it is going to be amazing!  ;)

Am excited how open H´s ideas are to allow the use of third party lenses.

Adapters to LEICA M/R, MAMIYA 645 and V with shift would be amazing. I am sure many 35mm lenses would bring special/great results on that sensor.

If it has integrated sensor dust cleaner and image stabilization, I'm in!

Hm, the game I am in is the Hasselblad H system. Consequently I thought the H6D and the new lens shutters are the well done game changers.

I do not expect anything else. To be honest: I hope Hasselblad will not burn money for another overpriced amateur gimmick, again.

I just hope Hasselblad stays in business for a very long time to keep my equipment working.

Best,

Bernd

P.S.: The then mirrorless H7D with EVF will be a game changer, again. No mirror slap, unlimited number of focus points ...

It's not an over priced gimmick.

Quote from: bodtlaender on June 18, 2016, 10:45:20 PM
Hm, the game I am in is the Hasselblad H system. Consequently I thought the H6D and the new lens shutters are the well done game changers.

I do not expect anything else. To be honest: I hope Hasselblad will not burn money for another overpriced amateur gimmick, again.

I just hope Hasselblad stays in business for a very long time to keep my equipment working.

Best,

Bernd

P.S.: The then mirrorless H7D with EVF will be a game changer, again. No mirror slap, unlimited number of focus points ...

Amen to that!!

I"ve been moaning about and prognosticating about a MF mirrorless Hasselblad for too many years. I certainly hope this is it. I also hope this is a "pro" product, not some "pro-sumer" dumbed-down hybrid. The weak spot of the H bodies has always been the mirror. I currently shoot 4k video using small 2k monitors and evf's to frame and compose. There's no reason why I can't shoot stills the same way except... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRdfX7ut8gw

Quote from: Barry Goyette on June 19, 2016, 10:43:12 AM
I"ve been moaning about and prognosticating about a MF mirrorless Hasselblad for too many years. I certainly hope this is it. I also hope this is a "pro" product, not some "pro-sumer" dumbed-down hybrid. The weak spot of the H bodies has always been the mirror. I currently shoot 4k video using small 2k monitors and evf's to frame and compose. There's no reason why I can't shoot stills the same way except... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRdfX7ut8gw
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Based on the limited information Nick has provided, I doubt it will be a "pro-sumer" product.

This is absolutely not some "dumbed down hybrid".

It is a thing of beauty, totally new and hand-made in Sweden.

I just forked $20k in a trade up from an H5D-200MS to the all new H6D-100MP.
Don't tell me a mirrorless, same or better quality, H-lens compatible system is around the corner......
That would ruin the last bit of confidence I still have in this company and it's equipment.

So companies are supposed to stop innovating and developing new products that may give them entry into a completely new market segment?  I make a decision to purchase a product, especially a digital camera, knowing full well there will likely be significant advances in the months and years ahead.

Gary

What Hasselblad *won't* be announcing on the 22nd. (Cross-Posted)
A digital x-pan.

You won't be seeing an x-pan on the 22nd. In the future who knows, but I think it extremely unlikely.

Why? When the x-pan first came out you didn't have the stitching options that we have now so it was pretty unique (a baby 6X17). Now you can easily stitch if you want, or indeed crop into a high resolution chip if that's what you need. Also it's not as if anyone if making chips in this format, it's just too niche a market.

A re-badged something else.

No no and no. This is a totally new thing.

People have pointed out that Mr Oosting has a background in luxury products (Vertu) but that has no bearing on this thing.

And I agree that the Lunar/Stellar this was very badly done, this is nothing at all like that.

I'll say it again, I really do think the thing is a game changer. I thought so the minute I handled it.

Bring on the 22nd!

I hope it is going to be something that really will be a unique, useful selling product that has been fully developed and tested before going public so that it'll bring some money into Hasselblad rather than more R&D costs. More income will help towards strengthening the company's software, firmware & development team - making the kit we use more solid giving us the confidence to invest without the fear that H will go belly-up and we'll be left stranded up Phase Creek without a paddle! It also help rebuild confidence in the brand.
Good luck Hassie!

Alex

Guys I will say this. The thing that's coming is good, really good.

I stake my reputation on it.

Medium Format rangefinder with H lenses?

Am I going to want to sell my H6D Nick?! Or is this new thing not considered a replacement for the H system?

hybrid cinema camera?

My guess is a mirrorless with EVF bigger than 24x36.

Wouldn´t be bad at all. Hopefully AF compatible with the HC and HCD lenses.

Bernd

Quote from: bdp on June 20, 2016, 11:23:12 PM
Am I going to want to sell my H6D

I don't think they'd be foolish enough to do that - it'd be taking the pi$$ - they'd lose most of their existing users' confidence to invest in anything future.

As MFD users we swallow the costs of the price of the backs and the post release bugs that come with every new camera: We do so because we know we are a small minority market and that's the way it always has been - it's aprt of the relationship. To exploit that by constantly dangling half baked carrots to lure us in would destroy any credibility.

Quote from: bdp on June 20, 2016, 11:23:12 PM
Am I going to want to sell my H6D Nick?! Or is this new thing not considered a replacement for the H system?

Great question. I just ordered my H6D-50C. I can't imagine Hasselblad would release a new camera at this point in time that would directly compete in every way with a camera they just released. I do suspect it will be mirrorless and something along the lines of the Sony A7RII. I also believe it will allow the use of their existing lenses. Looking forward to the 22nd.

Quote from: NickT on June 19, 2016, 02:33:04 PM
This is absolutely not some "dumbed down hybrid".

It is a thing of beauty, totally new and hand-made in Sweden.

Certainly not trying to be a negative Nellie on this. By dumbed down...I mean that the target audience is "well heeled amateur". Fully functional, fully featured, yet not really designed for professional use. The continued use of the word "beautiful" and the two teasers showing a  minimalistic camera with few buttons certainly indicate exactly that kind of camera. That worries me. The new CEO has suggested a step towards "pro-sumer" and I'm really hoping for a system that isn't that. I believe strongly that mirrorless is the future of professional cameras, specifically medium format ones. If they can do it at a lower (than current) price point, Bring meaningful video features into the mix, and produce a more compact, durable body while supporting professional use, Hasselblad just might have something "game-changing"(and considering they've practically branded the new camera as such, they'd better.)

Barry Goyette

(as an aside...on the design. When I first saw the picture you posted last week, Nick, it reminded me of BlackMagic's Cinema Camera. While that camera had potential for producing nice quality images, it was hampered by an extremely limited UI and a stripped down, almost pointless camera body. It was nice looking, but not particularly useful for a professional. I'm certainly not expecting something as rudimentary as that camera. Hasselblad is an actual camera maker versus Blackmagic, which wasn't at the time, but I hope as we start to see more of the new Hasselblad, that there are a few useful buttons interrupting all that "beautiful" design.)  :-)

Quote from Barry Goyette:

"I believe strongly that mirrorless is the future of professional cameras, specifically medium format ones. If they can do it at a lower (than current) price point, Bring meaningful video features into the mix, and produce a more compact, durable body while supporting professional use, Hasselblad just might have something "game-changing"(and considering they've practically branded the new camera as such, they'd better.)"

+1


Bernd

The only thing I am really hoping for is that it will be a Large format adapter/body system with a built in automatic shutter and metering system as well as an integrated power battery.  With the ability to fit lenses from Sinar, ALPA, Horseman, and others.

If this is true, then it will most definitely make the most of the 100Mp of the new H6D.

Here's another wee pic for you.

I don't think any of you will be disappointed by this, and I speak as someone expecting delivery of an H6D this week.

Not sure what it will be, but my fear is it'll be something I covet and can't afford.

I'm ever so sorry to be the one to tell you Keith...

Oh and welcome back.

I'm intrigued to know what they come up with. I like to pull for the "non-market sales leaders" when they're innovating.

Looking forward to the announcement Nick- and thanks for your email notification regarding this event.

Cheers Pete

Thanks Pete, can't wait until we can discuss this thing properly!

Quote from: NickT on June 21, 2016, 09:29:28 AM
I'm ever so sorry to be the one to tell you Keith...

Oh and welcome back.

Thanks, Nick.

Whatever it is the reveals would suggest it is a thing of great beauty.

Now, about that price...

It is indeed a beautiful thing. As for the price I'm not very good at that stuff. I think the price is pretty good but I'm no expert.

Just saw this:

http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/hasselblad-ceo-words-new-medium-format-camera/

Quote from: NickT on June 21, 2016, 08:55:34 PM
Just saw this:

http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/hasselblad-ceo-words-new-medium-format-camera/

confirms the keywords "mirrorless" and "medium format"

Bernd

Another great wish, is to see a similar digital version of the legendary Mamiya 7 medium format (6x7), which in other words would be considered a Hasselblad MF Compact Camera.

Please say its true!!

leaked!

http://photorumors.com/2016/06/21/the-new-hasselblad-x1d-medium-format-mirrorless-camera-leaked-online/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PhotoRumors+%28PhotoRumors.com%29

It has been leaked, I see. Too bad, but on the other hand, HELLO! This is rather cool.

Quote from: raffa on June 22, 2016, 03:55:59 AM
leaked!

http://photorumors.com/2016/06/21/the-new-hasselblad-x1d-medium-format-mirrorless-camera-leaked-online/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PhotoRumors+%28PhotoRumors.com%29

Ummmm.....where's that sexy mode dial we saw in yesterday's teaser. this has got to be a fake. right?

sensor size 33x44mm ?

45mm f/3.5 and 90mm f/3.2 lenses are nothing to get excited about. but prices are below the hc and hcd level.

look at fujis x-system: new and tack sharp wide aperture primes like 23mm f/1.4, 35mm f/1.4, 56mm f/1.2. how would that translate into mf? too big & heavy?

was size and weight the priority?

central shutter or focal plane shutter?

i still hope for an adapter to use hc lenses with af and central shutter.

the images give no idea of the actual dimensions. maybe it is much smaller than one would expect and that is what makes the camera sexy?

i´m very interested about the af.

can i use the camera in a professional environment, shoot tethered?

Bernd

p.s.: glad hasselblad were the first to to this. glad hasselblad took the risk to do this. hope they are successful with it.

Cool, (If they are using 44 x33, very astute ;-), I really really hope that it sells well (& hope it's been tested well before release - DSLR users who are new to MFD won't be as tolerant - like computer gamers they'll plough the money into the industry and rip it to pieces if it is not). Good luck to Hasselblad!

would love to see a X1D to Leics M adapter!

http://petapixel.com/2016/06/21/hasselblad-x1d-leaked-worlds-first-medium-format-mirrorless-camera/

Looks like I was right!
OMG it even looks strikingly close to the Mamiya 7 without the lens on.

One wish down, one more to go! The Large Format body with integrated shutter, metering, and battery compartment, with lens boards made ready with a selection of highest quality lenses... Please please Hasselblad Gods make it true!

Yes it's pretty isn't!

My NDA will expire as soon as the announcement is made so please post questions here and I will answer them.

I've heard from a reliable source, its a new MF SLR style mirror less system with a few new lenses to go along with it. Kinda Digital Mamiya 7, but not rangefinder styling, sadly. also tethering was up in the air from what i heard. I guess we'll all know tomorrow. I just dropped for a CPO 200ms last fall, so I won't be in the running.

Quote from: NickT on June 22, 2016, 11:15:13 AM
Yes it's pretty isn't!

My NDA will expire as soon as the announcement is made so please post questions here and I will answer them.

Most of these will probably be answered by the press release I assume but here goes everything.

I guess the big thing left for me to see are the specs. Are the two lenses announce focal plane type lenses or do they have leaf shutters? Is the body dual mode like say the Leica S to be able to support focal plane or central shutters? What's the minimum shutter speed... I'd hope it was at least 1/8000th of a second if it's a focal plane shutter. Is there an electronic shutter? What's with the rumors about removing the ability to tether? I think most people interested in this camera would like the ability to do so even if it's not a regular thing for them.

Other than had that it looks like it has potential. Seems like the freaky love child of a Mamiya 7II, a Leica T, a Hasselblad H camera, a Hasselblad V camera, and a Sony FE camera.

I'm wondering about:

SD cards? CFAST? XQD (please)

Video?

Tethering - I expect it will tether to Phocus via USB3. (said he, hopefully)

Definitely lenses, too. the 45 and the 90 look great, how easy will it be for me to use HC lenses and, God forbid, my CF lenses?

Focus peaking?

Tell me about the EVF- dots, refresh rate?

AF Points? Can you scatter them all over the sensor?

ISO?

wi-fi to send a decent jpeg to my iphone for Instagram? Because we all know we need 50MP for that...

Finally, shipping and delivery expectations.

This camera is beyond my reach right now, but I could see myself using it a lot. I think it will be a real winner.

Quote from: Barry Goyette on June 22, 2016, 05:24:36 AM
Ummmm.....where's that sexy mode dial we saw in yesterday's teaser. this has got to be a fake. right?

I think it's a push/pull button, if you compare the photos you will understand better :)

Yes it does look pretty but I would expect nothing less from Hasselblad.  I would be disappointed that it does not have the capability to use existing lenses which I think is a mistake but may be due to the need for a different design for mirrorless.  Would it prompt me to move from my H6D - not a chance.  I have too much invested and there are a lot of reasons why I prefer the ergonomics and usability of the bigger body.

Would I buy it for other purposes? Perhaps but that depends on how the AF (if it does have AF) works and whether that is across the whole chip and can be activated by touch in live view.  A fast medium zoom lens (24-70 equivalent) would possibly make this camera an attractive and more portable alternative for outdoor work for me.

I will look forward to hearing the whole story later today.

I guess a true measure of how impactful a product is can be observed in how the competition reacts. I point to Phase One's reaction to the Leica S, Pentax 645 Digital series, and now the Hasselblad X1D. The fact that well known Phase One dealers are dismissing the camera as not real medium format (although they sell cameras with the same or a variation of the same sensor) is very telling of how threatened they may be by what Hasselblad has done. So good job Hasselblad.

Although I can't afford this one just yet I'm keeping my eye on it as the system grows. I wonder if it'll come in an all black/charcoal body.

I think the X2D with a BSI sensor will be the next step up down the line.

Hasselblad X1D?... mirrorless medium format camera uses existing lenses? About $9000 USD...?
:-))

Yes, this is what you want , excellent back-up camera. Excellent for outdoor shooting

Question fot Nick, how do we focus with H lenses.
wat is the quality of the viewfinder
Leica SL has some kind of focussing aid using M lenses, The same with Hasselblad X1D?

Quote from: iiiNelson on June 22, 2016, 10:34:04 PM
The fact that well known Phase One dealers are dismissing the camera as not real medium format (although they sell cameras with the same or a variation of the same sensor) is very telling of how threatened they may be by what Hasselblad has done. So good job Hasselblad.

PhaseOne always says: "we are the best", "we can do this better", "but with our equipment it would look better" etc.. And almost every day a mail from the image doctor. That´s embarrassing. Way too much.

Bernd

About the X1D: Great product. Congrats. Well done, Hasselblad!

Bernd

 :) Well done Hassie,

? @ Nick
Possible adaptor for Leica S leaf (Central) shutter lenses?

Alex

great job Hasselblad!
I am in! great backup to H6D-100c, my new walk around companion. got touch LCD 920k, x-sync 1/800 (1/2000) sec with existing HC lenses, wifi and GPS, USB 3.0
ok, AF only contrast detection, will have to live with this!

I'm sick of being screwed by the Euro to GBP pricing.

The body at 7900 Euro at the current exchange rate = £6066 and yet Calumet UK are quoting £7188.

Can anyone confirm pricing for the EU and UK?

I think that is 7900 Euros excluding VAT.

Quote from: davidthescot on June 23, 2016, 03:05:20 AM
I think that is 7900 Euros excluding VAT.

Cheers, David.

Just been quoted around £6k exc. VAT in the UK.

Best.

As I get older, I'm learning to be a little more critical on days like this. Overall, I like what I see, but I have to be honest that I found the presentation remarkably shy of information. The message was obvious, This thing is tiny. That Hasselblad was able to  fit this much technology into a body of this size is actually remarkable. Laudable.

Whether it was wise is a whole other question.

And I'm not saying that it's not, but for a product launch like this to spend 45 seconds talking about the specifications, and the rest talking about history, legacy and size.....well it raises a few questions.

Size and the LCD, and the EVF. We know their resolutions, respectable, but certainly not ground breaking...the evf would appear to be the one from the Fuji x100T, The LCD is smaller and has fewer pixels than both the 5dsr and the D810. There are certainly larger, power efficient screens available these days, with superior resolution. Using one would have been an innovation on this camera. There isn't much detail on the optics of the EVF. That would certainly have been something I'd want to be talking about. When comparing their H bodies to Canon's 5dsr, many of the faithful spend a lot of time talking about the large viewfinder image. Again...I appreciate the small size of this camera. Would I have appreciated a 4 inch hd lcd screen and a larger "hasselblad magnification" EVF on a slightly larger body? Maybe.

Size and AF. Apparently this tiny body couldn't support Hasselblad's current autofocus system. Something tells me that even the last manual focus diehards (I'm not one of them) will find that shooting with a 2.36mp viewfinder will  cause them to change their tune. Users of this camera will rely on autofocus more than any other Hasselblad, yet the autofocus system seems to be limited to a single contrast AF sensor. It's hard to imagine how this is going to play out in the trade press.

Size and heat management. I don't own a CMOS Hasselblad, but certainly my H5d-40 regularly has issues on warm days. It's got venting up the ying-yang, a fan, and a rather large cavity behind the sensor. When you look at the X1d it would appear that the only venting would come by way of removing the lens. We know that sensors and processors like this generate a fair amount of heat, and when they get warm, they produce more noise. It would have been nice today for the product manager talk about how they performed the magic trick relative to heat management on this camera. (The omission of a meaningful, current set of video features is probably related to this very issue).

Size and the lens Adapter. Certainly this system was designed around new, smaller (and slightly slower) optics. The mount looks frighteningly shallow. I'm really interested to see how this works when you attach the gravity bomb 55-110mm zoom or even the 120macro HC lens via an adapter. I've always been impressed by the sturdiness of Hasselblad's mounts, but occasionally the contacts have been finicky. Is this diminutive camera up to the task of supporting 3.6 pound lenses? Inquiring minds want to know.

Size and SD over CFast -- To me the announcement of twin SD slots was a real surprise. While apparently the camera takes no hit in performance from the use of twin SD cards (although I don't see mention of buffer size, so we'll save this for later), it seems like choosing an older, consumer storage format is particularly telling. It's as if the well heeled amateur wouldn't buy the 13k system if they also had to shell out for a $350 memory card or two. Certainly pro's have no problem with c-fast ( I love it for the offload speeds, which are several orders faster than CF or SD) and also for the form factor which doesn't blow off my desk when the door opens.

Size and Compromise. One poster here has talked a lot about this camera finally reviving the mamiya 7 form factor. This camera certainly isn't that. It's compactness is actually startling from what I can tell. I'm certain based on the presentation today that in the process of prototyping the X1D, the guiding principal was size more than anything. Not one new technology was discussed. It's impressive that Victor's progeny managed to scale this product with very few hits to the H6D's functionality. Over the next few months (or maybe even today), I'm sure we'll all find out what compromises were involved in meeting that goal.

A few questions for Nick --

Focusing aids? What types and how functional/intuitive are they.

Battery Life -- Is this a travel cam that needs 3 batteries to make it through the day, or have they improved power management relative to the H bodies.

Electronic Viewfinder -- what's it like in terms of magnification and distortion.

Image buffer /shot rate -- Now that we are bringing this thing to the land of the unwashed masses. 1.7 frames is going to be really upsetting especially if the buffer slows things down at the 7th or 8th frame. How many shots can you shoot in raw, holding the shutter button down before it starts to lag.

Do we have tethering or not?

Thanks for all your work on this Nick.

Barry

Congratulations to Hasselblad - fine Piece of Work.
When will it be availible?

Quote from: Alastair Bird on June 22, 2016, 02:58:34 PM
I'm wondering about:

SD cards? CFAST? XQD (please)

Dual SD

QuoteVideo?

Yes 2K compressed, no RAW

Quotetethering - I expect it will tether to Phocus via USB3. (said he, hopefully)

Yes USB3 tethering

QuoteDefinitely lenses, too. the 45 and the 90 look great, how easy will it be for me to use HC lenses and, God forbid, my CF lenses?

The MTF charts for the 90 are absolutely amazing!

Yes HC lenses with an adaptor but they'll be manual focus. I imagine you'll be able to use the HC adaptor, then the CF adaptor to use CF

QuoteFocus peaking?

Don't think so

QuoteTell me about the EVF- dots, refresh rate?

Have to look that up

QuoteAF Points? Can you scatter them all over the sensor?

Nope

QuoteISO?

From memory 100 to 25K!

Quotewi-fi to send a decent jpeg to my iphone for Instagram? Because we all know we need 50MP for that...

Yes Wifi

QuoteFinally, shipping and delivery expectations.

Well they are making them as fast as they can I know that, but expect them to be in very tight demand.

QuoteThis camera is beyond my reach right now, but I could see myself using it a lot. I think it will be a real winner.

Quote from: iiiNelson on June 22, 2016, 01:31:35 PM

Are the two lenses announce focal plane type lenses or do they have leaf shutters?

Leaf shutters up to 1/2000

QuoteWhat's with the rumors about removing the ability to tether? I think most people interested in this camera would like the ability to do so even if it's not a regular thing for them.

It will tether just fine

Quote from: aikbo on June 23, 2016, 12:48:30 AM
Question for Nick, how do we focus with H lenses.

It will be manual focus with HC lenses

Quotewhat is the quality of the viewfinder
Leica SL has some kind of focussing aid using M lenses, The same with Hasselblad X1D?

Didn't have much time to play so can't say on the viewfinder... focussing aid would be great, I'll ask.

Quote from: Alex on June 23, 2016, 01:39:19 AM
:) Well done Hassie,

? @ Nick
Possible adaptor for Leica S leaf (Central) shutter lenses?

Alex

Don't know Alex but it ought to be possible.

Quote from: Barry Goyette on June 23, 2016, 04:36:37 AM
As I get older, I'm learning to be a little more critical on days like this. Overall, I like what I see, but I have to be honest that I found the presentation remarkably shy of information. The message was obvious, This thing is tiny. That Hasselblad was able to  fit this much technology into a body of this size is actually remarkable. Laudable.

Yes good point, but it's marketing right?

QuoteWhether it was wise is a whole other question.

And I'm not saying that it's not, but for a product launch like this to spend 45 seconds talking about the specifications, and the rest talking about history, legacy and size.....well it raises a few questions.

Size and the LCD, and the EVF. We know their resolutions, respectable, but certainly not ground breaking...the evf would appear to be the one from the Fuji x100T, The LCD is smaller and has fewer pixels than both the 5dsr and the D810. There are certainly larger, power efficient screens available these days, with superior resolution. Using one would have been an innovation on this camera. There isn't much detail on the optics of the EVF. That would certainly have been something I'd want to be talking about. When comparing their H bodies to Canon's 5dsr, many of the faithful spend a lot of time talking about the large viewfinder image. Again...I appreciate the small size of this camera. Would I have appreciated a 4 inch hd lcd screen and a larger "hasselblad magnification" EVF on a slightly larger body? Maybe.

Size and AF. Apparently this tiny body couldn't support Hasselblad's current autofocus system. Something tells me that even the last manual focus diehards (I'm not one of them) will find that shooting with a 2.36mp viewfinder will  cause them to change their tune. Users of this camera will rely on autofocus more than any other Hasselblad, yet the autofocus system seems to be limited to a single contrast AF sensor. It's hard to imagine how this is going to play out in the trade press.

The AF will never be as good as with an H (no true focus either), but then it's medium format, not an 810 (which I own) so different process...

QuoteSize and heat management. I don't own a CMOS Hasselblad, but certainly my H5d-40 regularly has issues on warm days. It's got venting up the ying-yang, a fan, and a rather large cavity behind the sensor. When you look at the X1d it would appear that the only venting would come by way of removing the lens. We know that sensors and processors like this generate a fair amount of heat, and when they get warm, they produce more noise. It would have been nice today for the product manager talk about how they performed the magic trick relative to heat management on this camera. (The omission of a meaningful, current set of video features is probably related to this very issue).

Well it's CMOS for a start so less heat than CCD

Quote
Size and the lens Adapter. Certainly this system was designed around new, smaller (and slightly slower) optics. The mount looks frighteningly shallow. I'm really interested to see how this works when you attach the gravity bomb 55-110mm zoom or even the 120macro HC lens via an adapter. I've always been impressed by the sturdiness of Hasselblad's mounts, but occasionally the contacts have been finicky. Is this diminutive camera up to the task of supporting 3.6 pound lenses? Inquiring minds want to know.

I think if you put the 50-110 on this it will be a case of the camera hanging off the back of the zoom. On a tripod I'd be worried...

QuoteSize and SD over CFast -- To me the announcement of twin SD slots was a real surprise. While apparently the camera takes no hit in performance from the use of twin SD cards (although I don't see mention of buffer size, so we'll save this for later), it seems like choosing an older, consumer storage format is particularly telling. It's as if the well heeled amateur wouldn't buy the 13k system if they also had to shell out for a $350 memory card or two. Certainly pro's have no problem with c-fast ( I love it for the offload speeds, which are several orders faster than CF or SD) and also for the form factor which doesn't blow off my desk when the door opens.

I suspect the choice of SD was that they are popular and cheap, I imagine CFast wouldn't fir the form..

QuoteSize and Compromise. One poster here has talked a lot about this camera finally reviving the mamiya 7 form factor. This camera certainly isn't that. It's compactness is actually startling from what I can tell. I'm certain based on the presentation today that in the process of prototyping the X1D, the guiding principal was size more than anything. Not one new technology was discussed. It's impressive that Victor's progeny managed to scale this product with very few hits to the H6D's functionality. Over the next few months (or maybe even today), I'm sure we'll all find out what compromises were involved in meeting that goal.

I'll post some images below so you can see the relative size.

QuoteA few questions for Nick --

Focusing aids? What types and how functional/intuitive are they.

Battery Life -- Is this a travel cam that needs 3 batteries to make it through the day, or have they improved power management relative to the H bodies.

Electronic Viewfinder -- what's it like in terms of magnification and distortion.

Image buffer /shot rate -- Now that we are bringing this thing to the land of the unwashed masses. 1.7 frames is going to be really upsetting especially if the buffer slows things down at the 7th or 8th frame. How many shots can you shoot in raw, holding the shutter button down before it starts to lag.

Great questions and I don't really know I'm hoping to get hold of one for long term testing.

QuoteDo we have tethering or not?

Yes!

QuoteThanks for all your work on this Nick.

Thank you for a well thought out post.

Size comparison:

Quote from: Barry Goyette on June 23, 2016, 04:36:37 AM

Battery Life -- Is this a travel cam that needs 3 batteries to make it through the day, or have they improved power management relative to the H bodies.[/quote

Barry just saw this on another forum:

3200mAh battery - Sweet; three times the capacity of the a7RII battery

Any one know how long A7RII batteries last?

Quote from: NickT on June 23, 2016, 08:30:39 AM

Quote from: Barry Goyette on June 23, 2016, 04:36:37 AM

Battery Life -- Is this a travel cam that needs 3 batteries to make it through the day, or have they improved power management relative to the H bodies.[/quote

Barry just saw this on another forum:

3200mAh battery - Sweet; three times the capacity of the a7RII battery

Any one know how long A7RII batteries last?

I usually shoot my A7RII with a grip because I have larger hands and it'll last a whole day with plenty of juice on reserve. That being said that's with two batteries and I'm not a "machine gun" photographer that bursts 5-10 shots of everything. The most I've heard anyone getting on a single A7RII battery is ~700 shots but that's with no chimping, EVF only, turning the camera off between shots, and ideal weather conditions. Typical is about 3-400 shots per battery. I'd imagine that the X1D should net at least 7-800 on a battery due to the larger sensor to operate. That should be enough for most people to last all day.

Nick please check and verify this: using HC lenses with the official adapter my official dealer told me it is full autofocus and auto exposure(e.g. aperture priority mode).

Hi Buddy.

I don't think your dealer is quite right. Hasselblad are saying manual focus due to older lenses not having enough space to update firmware. I assume aperture priority will work just fine however.

Nick, are we getting live exposure preview as on the Olympus where you see over/under in the viewfinder and can compensate accordingly? I also couldn't find mention of other lenses. Is it only 30,45 and 90?

Hi Jeff
Yes you get a live view on the screen so you can adjust then shoot.

45 and 90 for now, I think the 30 was going to remain a secret until Photokina but the CEO mentioned it in the launch!

More lenses will be coming!

Sorry Nick, poor explanation. on the Olympus any over or under areas are highlighted in the EVF, and one of the dials is compensation. It's a brilliant feature. That's what I was asking about.

Oh That does sound cool, I change my answer then to "No idea" :)

Official Hasselblad page here:

http://www.hasselblad.com/x1d

Thanks Nick. It's a fantastic feature! It beats the hell out of any histogram, and it's such an obvious feature on a mirrorless camera.

More here:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/9438355523/hands-on-with-hasselblad-x1d

NIck... Any chance a CF adapter for V lenses in the works... since it will be manual anyway... one might benefit from the small lighter size lenses available on V system.

I guess you *could* use the HC adaptor and then the CF adaptor... But a CF adaptor would be cool, I'll add it to my list!

Some first impressions here:

http://www.thephoblographer.com/2016/06/22/first-impressions-hasselblad-x1d/

This looks to be a potentially great camera and I was hoping that it would be a more portable and useful backup to my H6.  Sadly the adapter for the HC lenses is manual focus only which, given my poor eyesight and the fact that this would have been used handheld rules it out for me.  If I could afford to buy a completely new set of lenses that might change my opinion or if I was abandoning the H6, which I am most definitely not, then it might be a different proposition.  It may be that they bring out a very good and reasonably sized mid zoom and this might also make it more practical.

Having said all of that they are probably not looking to their existing H series customers like me for too many sales.

Still a great move for Hasselblad and should be a big success IMO.

Hasselblad should be immensely proud of the X1D, it truly is a game changer.

If I was in the market for a medium format camera then this tiny beauty would be on order already.

I wish Hasselblad great success.

P.S. I never say never...

I must say, very tempting. I was thinking about upgrading the H5D40 towards H6D50c or 100c but can now see myself getting one of these instead and keeping the H5 for now.

Is there any info on the real quality of the lenses?

So Leica S1 and S2 offer AF with HC lenses, but Hasselblad X1D does not offer AF with HC lenses?

Come one, Ove, I know you can do it with ease ...  ;)

Is this a marketing driven decision?

100 f/2.2 with an on sensor contrast detection AF would be fantastic.

Will it be possible with newer generations of HC lenses with an extended memory? Can I upgrade my favorite lenses not only with a faster shutter (1/2000) but also with a new electronics?

Bernd

Hi Bernd,

AF with HC lenses is not out of the specification of X1D features. Engineers are working hard on releasing this feature as soon as possible, so hopefully it will be already in the firmware before the first X1Ds reach those lucky first owners of the camera  ;)

// Bro

Quote from: Bro on June 24, 2016, 02:24:33 AM
Hi Bernd,

AF with HC lenses is not out of the specification of X1D features. Engineers are working hard on releasing this feature as soon as possible, so hopefully it will be already in the firmware before the first X1Ds reach those lucky first owners of the camera  ;)

// Bro

I was told today by the Hasselblad owned main dealer in the UK that HC lenses are manual focus only - are you sure you have the correct information?

Very sure. Unless Ove lied to my face just an hour ago...  ;D // Bro

Quote from: Bro on June 24, 2016, 03:25:23 AM
Very sure. Unless Ove lied to my face just an hour ago...  ;D // Bro

Where´s the thumbs up emoticon?

Best,

Bernd

is there a photo for the HC lens adapter?
and any news about Phocus 3.1 which is mentioned?

Will there be an XL1D with a larger sensor ?

Bernd

Quote from: bodtlaender on June 24, 2016, 06:36:05 AM
Will there be an XL1D with a larger sensor ?

Bernd

Hard to imagine given that the current sensor appears to barely clear the mount. I'm hoping for a slightly larger body that will accommodate c-fast, more buttons, a better autofocus system, and probably a heat sink..both of us are likely to be disappointed :-). Perhaps in the future, there is an HXM model built on the Jc lens flange distance that eliminates the back.. It seems like the work has been done to make that a possibility... But it would probably be a replacement for the current h system, which, as modern as it is, is essentially a legacy film camera at its heart.

Guys some older lenses will be MF only due to a lack of storage capacity in the lens for new firmware. That u=is why there is some confusion around the issue.

Quote from: Dustbak on June 23, 2016, 09:43:34 PM

Is there any info on the real quality of the lenses?

Great write up from the always well-informed Ming Thein:


https://blog.mingthein.com/2016/06/22/announcing-the-hasselblad-x1d-50c/

Great thread.

Thx Nick! Looks like pretty good lenses to me. The 45 is slightly below the HC50II from the looks of the graphs, the 90 seems to be pretty much on par with the HC100. Since these 2 are currently my favorite lenses, this is promising.

How is the viewfinder? This is one thing that makes me wonder whether I can really work with it. Not only the quality of the image but most of all whether there is any lag in the way the image is shown or black-outs when taking images?

Ray I had like 1 minute hands on with the camera and it was pre-production so...

Begging HB to send me one so I can be better informed.

Quote from: NickT on June 24, 2016, 07:51:30 AM
Guys some older lenses will be MF only due to a lack of storage capacity in the lens for new firmware. That u=is why there is some confusion around the issue.

I bought a Fuji X-E1 with a 35 f/1.4 recently. Yes, X-E1, not X-T1 or X-10. A was warned the AF would be so bad.

Indeed I`ve never been happier with any other AF before. To me it seems much more precise than my Nikons. Yes, my H3D was always ahead of my Nikon D4 and D800. But the problem seemed to be, that you can never exactly say which area the phase detection AF covers. It is never exactly the area outlined in the finder. Instead the AF may react to something near the outlined AF point (an object in the background for example) and thus lead to a wrong focussing.

With the Fuji this problem seemed to be overcome. I think mirrorless is the future of the system camera.

That´s why I´m so pleased with the X1D. And it is the first mirrorless to synchronize flash up to 1/2000. No Sony A7 can do this. To me that may be even more important than being the first mirrorless medium format camera.

The focussing advantage is lost, if no AF is available (for HC lenses).

I understand that the decision has been made to launch the X1D as a lightweight traveller camera in the tradition of the Mamiya 7. Not big&heavy wide aperture primes which would prevent for example a dentist to take the camera with him on sunday. I don´t want to stink against wealthy people buying this camera. In contrary every one who buys such a camera is welcome because he helps establishing the new system, making it profitable for Hasselblad. An H6D isn´t something you want to carry arround on a sunday walk.

But I see more potential in the new system. The potential to replace the conventional DSLR sometime soon. Not because it is smaller, but because it is better.

I think that even though there was a lot of research and development necessary for the X1D, it would be much more expensive to create a mechanically new DSLR body eliminating mirror slap and introducing multiple AF points (I hope not to be to far off with this estimation). So far mirrorless seems to be the end of the mechanically ultra complex DSLR.

The small and powerful but not very wide aperture primes do not use the full potential of the new system (which lies for me in AF precision, especially helpful at wider apertures). Either it should be possible to use the HC lenses with  equally fast working AF (in comparison to the XCD lenses) or the one or the other additional wide aperture prime should complete the range (for example something like 55 or 60 f/2.0).

OK, I have to say to myself: the XCD is just one day old. Give the company a bit of time ....

Bernd

P.S.: I just received an offer from a dealer and I´m surprised to see the adapter for HC lenses costs less than a metabones AF adapter Canon EF to Sony A7. The adapter Leica S2 to Hasselblad HC costs five times the price. Wow!

Ok Hasselblad are now saying that AF will work on all HC and HCD lenses!

Also they have confirmed that multiple (selectable) focus points will be enabled via firmware.

Exciting stuff!

AF will "work" on HC lenses, the implementation is trivial. But because it is contrast AF and the lenses were not designed for it, AF will be very, very slow on HC lenses and therefore only useful for static subjects.

Quote from: jerome_m on June 25, 2016, 07:09:11 PM
AF will "work" on HC lenses, the implementation is trivial. But because it is contrast AF and the lenses were not designed for it, AF will be very, very slow on HC lenses and therefore only useful for static subjects.

Hi Jerome,

I'm curious how any lens is designed for / or "not designed for" a particular AF technology. It would seem to me that the camera simply sends drive instructions to the lens based on whatever AF sensor is involved, and that the lens simply follows orders.

Barry

Quote from: Barry Goyette on June 26, 2016, 02:13:54 AM

Quote from: jerome_m on June 25, 2016, 07:09:11 PM
AF will "work" on HC lenses, the implementation is trivial. But because it is contrast AF and the lenses were not designed for it, AF will be very, very slow on HC lenses and therefore only useful for static subjects.

Hi Jerome,

I'm curious how any lens is designed for / or "not designed for" a particular AF technology. It would seem to me that the camera simply sends drive instructions to the lens based on whatever AF sensor is involved, and that the lens simply follows orders.

I can answer that question.

Contrast AF works by telling the lens to focus back and forth around the point of focus. The processor tells the lens to focus forwards until the image becomes unsharp then shifts the lens to focus in the other direction. If you look at a Nikon or Canon camera in liveview mode, you will actually see the oscillations back and forth.

Lenses designed for contrast AF normally have a separate element for focus and that element is designed to be small and therefore light. Moreover, the focus motor is also specially designed and is not an helicoid but usually a linear motor. Because of the powerful fast motor and the low inertial mass, the lens can switch focus direction quite fast.

Older lenses have large mobile masses (often the complete lens) and comparatively slow helicoids. Switching focus direction is much slower. Medium format lenses have even higher mobile masses (because the lenses are big and heavy). The HC series of lenses, as good as they are, use built-in motors with gears which have by necessity a little play when changing directions. The motors torque is not designed for a quick change of focus direction, etc...

So, to use your words: the lens "follows the order", but how quickly the lens can follow the order depends on lens design.

Thanks for explaining. So the new XCD lenses are designed specifically for Contrast AF and have faster helicoids, and lower mobile masses?

Quote from: Barry Goyette on June 26, 2016, 06:38:53 AM
Thanks for explaining. So the new XCD lenses are designed specifically for Contrast AF and have faster helicoids, and lower mobile masses?

Well... I don't know as we all suffer a dearth of info about these lenses, but I suppose so. And the manufacturer, Nittoh, certainly has the capacity to manufacture this kind of lenses.

Hey Jerome,
Thank you for the information that you shared.
It is very informative to an old dog like me, I rely on auto focus lenses these days more than any other feature on these cameras. I just set the camera to MANUAL and hope that it finds focus on its own.
It is good to know how and what the camera is actually doing so that I can choose the right camera for my purposes. Again it is nice to hear from knowing people just what is going on.
Ciao,
Giorgio

Here's some info on focusing methods that you might find useful:

https://www.slrlounge.com/primer-phase-detection-autofocus-vs-contrast-detection/

Hi Nick,

do you know if its possible to switch in the EVF from color view to B&W view. I like this feature at my Fuji mirrorless. For me it helps very much to work for B&W pictures direct in the B&W mode. I think, all the nice Film simulation modes are not absolute necessary.

But i general, i have to say. this camera will replace in minimum my Fuji Xpro / XT-1. For the Studio work I´m not sure if i will change the H4D-40 against the X1D. I need to test, but their is a high change to end up only with an X1D.

Detlef

as far as i understand the current and previous H5D/H6D are also on contrast detection AF systems and NOT phase detection. So why would the current HC/HCD be upgraded by software for X1D's contrast detection AF? Doesn't make sense to me.

Secondly, is it safe to assume that the AF of X1D will be same / similar to the one of H5D/H6D since both have contrast AF detection? If this is the case then it is ok for me!

and how would a software update on the HC lenses be made? send them to all to Sweden? ...how inconvenient!

On dpreview.com as of today there is a detailed interview with Ove Bengtson about the X1D, development, its actual and possible future features, AF implementation and a lot more.
It answered a lot of questions for me.

Bernd

the longer the uncertainties about the usage of current HC lenses on the X1D with the adapter the more I am hesitating to go this route and I am going to cancel my order of the adapter (but keep the X1D order though) and order the new 90mm lens. The reasons:
- software update of the HC lenses?
- no super fast x-sync with current HC lenses (and a shutter upgrade is not offered by H...)
- considering the difference in flange distance between H and X1D systems (maybe 4-5 cm, did not measure though) this adapter must become wide as the flange difference, isn't it? thus making the system not so portable and slick anymore
- on the other hand the assumed excellent quality of the new lenses (see MTF) and low weight, 1/2000 shutter...

what u think?

Quote from: Buddy on June 28, 2016, 11:03:33 PM
and how would a software update on the HC lenses be made? send them to all to Sweden? ...how inconvenient!

Better than nothing at all.

Bernd

Quote from: Buddy on June 28, 2016, 11:14:29 PM
the longer the uncertainties about the usage of current HC lenses on the X1D with the adapter the more I am hesitating to go this route and I am going to cancel my order of the adapter (but keep the X1D order though) and order the new 90mm lens. The reasons:
- software update of the HC lenses?
- no super fast x-sync with current HC lenses (and a shutter upgrade is not offered by H...)
- considering the difference in flange distance between H and X1D systems (maybe 4-5 cm, did not measure though) this adapter must become wide as the flange difference, isn't it? thus making the system not so portable and slick anymore
- on the other hand the assumed excellent quality of the new lenses (see MTF) and low weight, 1/2000 shutter...

what u think?

After my knowledge a shutter upgrade is possible. When the shutter of my HC150 finally dies I will of course have it replaced with the new version.

The adapter is so cheap you just buy it without any worrying.

Give the company a bit of time. Since I bought my H3D in 2007 Hasselblad made a number of promisses. They kept them all, but it always took some months.

Bernd

you probably are right, it is only 300 bucks...so what!

but after reading the interview I still do not understand the saying that HC lenses shall not be made for contrast detection AF systems and thus need software updates....

Quote from: Buddy on June 28, 2016, 11:29:44 PM
you probably are right, it is only 300 bucks...so what!

but after reading the interview I still do not understand the saying that HC lenses shall not be made for contrast detection AF systems and thus need software updates....

Did you read the whole thread? AFAIR there was an explanation what contrast AF does with the lens. It makes it "pump" around the sharpness point, moves forth and back until the relative maximum sharpness is attained. Therefore the lens has to be mechanically optimized for fast move and quick change of direction. It would rather use one small element for focussing and a linear motor instead of moving the whole optical system in a helicoid with a geared drive.

Thats why the use of the HC lenses with contrast detection AF might be somewhat slow.

No reason to sell your HC lenses. Read Ove Bengtsons interview on dpreview.com: on sensor phase detection is on the way an may be implemented in one of the next generations.

Bernd

The Leica SL uses contrast detection and the SL lenses (both of them) use that exact method: small focusing elements that can be quickly scuttled back and forth until focus is achieved. I have tested the Leica SL and this works quite well and in low light as well. From reports I have read, the AF response at this time needs work and i fully expect it to be much better when the camera ships. I am scheduled to attend a demo in Boca Raton, FL on July 18, so I will report my findings after that. I don't have that much disposable income so I can't just pre-order a unit. I am going to have to save up my shekels for this.

Thanks Carlos

Maybe I should start an Indegogo campaign to get donations for an X1D kit...

https://blog.mingthein.com/2016/07/06/hasselblad-x1d-early-impressions-with-samples/

Very nice results from the 45mm lens - very sharp corner to corner - and that's at f6.8.
Ming has suggested that a part of the IQ is down to the lenses being of a higher quality than the H lenses - would be interested in doing some the comparisons when the H adaptor comes out - and I look forward to the H lenses being upgraded with the same tech in (hopefully "near") future :)

Quote from: Alex on July 06, 2016, 10:57:13 PM
Very nice results from the 45mm lens - very sharp corner to corner - and that's at f6.8.
Ming has suggested that a part of the IQ is down to the lenses being of a higher quality than the H lenses

I'd hate to criticise, but my ancient H4D-50 with the HC-50 II is perfectly sharp corner to corner as well. So much for "higher quality than the H lenses"... ;)

Quite frankly, the new X1D is a very tempting camera, but "sharpness" will not be its selling point for the obvious reason that the H line is already close to perfection in that respect.

You're probably right - I must have had worse luck with my HC50II unit than you have had with yours and ended up trading it in. - I wasn't getting that level of resolve.

Why was this testing done at 6.8? surely it should have been done at its widest aperture?

I seem to remember that sharpest aperture for medium (ish) format is two stops down?

Yes it is but the real test of a lens is when its used fully open

Photo samples have been posted online.

http://www.mfmsociety.com/2016/07/hasselblad-x1d-sample-images.html

What do y'all believe are the chances of seeing a full blown lens roadmap for the X1D at Photokina 2016? Probable? Possible? No way in hell?

The problem with road maps is when you get lost. Say they announce a new lens but when the come to make it it turns out that it will be way too expensive or priorities are assigned to other projects, then you get angry users comlying that the "promised" lens hasn't arrived. Better to announce I think when the thing is nearly ready.

What I can tell you is that there will be more lenses. I just can't tell you what they are.

Nick,

Any update on when you will receive a demo to shoot, and when the first cameras will be available for those who pre-ordered?

Thanks,

ACG

Demo units will be out by the end of the month then they'll start filling orders. Swedes have been on holiday so that hasn't helped!

Nick, I really like your "About" page on your website.

I could learn a lot from you.  ;)

Rick

Hey Rick, thanks for the kind words! I think my clients know me for my sense of humour!

Any chance third party manufacturers will be making an adaptor for M lenses. Or will this be technically unsound?

The X1D will always need lenses with leaf shutters as there is no focal plane shutter...

Quote from: NickT on July 07, 2016, 08:45:34 PM
I seem to remember that sharpest aperture for medium (ish) format is two stops down?

This is true for MOST lenses no matter the format. It's one of the reasons that many desire wide aperture lenses beyond the shallow depth of field. Often there's a big difference with evenness across the field when stopping down a stop or two.

Even still many premium lenses do or should produce great results from images taken at wide open apertures. I don't doubt the X lenses will fit into this category and I hope we see more images from those with them in hand soon.

Nick

Have you had any information about the H to V adapter?  There's a lot of confusing speculation/information out on the internet.  I was told by my Hasselblad rep that it would only work with manual focus.  A day later another Hasselblad rep posted in one of the forums that it would work with all HC lenses with auto focus.  A bit later there was a statement that it would work with autofocus with some HC lenses but not all.

I have ordered an X1D with the 45mm lens but have doubts as to whether I have sufficient need for the 90mm lens to justify buying it, if I could use my oldish 80mm HC lens with the adapter.

Oops. Obviously I meant the H to X adapter in my previous post.

The *intention* is that AF will work with all HC/HCD lenses. However there may be some issues with older lenses not having enough space on their eproms to store the required firmware. Sorry that's probably not the answer you were looking for!

so September 15 approaching, has anyone already recieved notice on delivery of the new X1D?

Dealer demos are being delivered so users won't be far behind.

exciting times

I wonder whether all of the firmware will be complete, and all of the functions etc are going to be working without the promise of "future updates"..unlike the H6 which has been updated a couple of times but now the updates have dribbled to a complete halt and a lot of things are not present in the menu items etc.

Most stuff posted on the forums is pure speculation.  However someone has reported a conversation that the adapter will (at least possibly)  work with AF with lenses post 2006.  I know you posted earlier today on dating H lenses but I now can't find it.

First - have you heard anything to confirm or refute this assertion?
Second - my 80mm H lens has a serial number of 7CSU22464.  Am I right in thinking that the relevant "code" is SU?  If so then it seems to me that the date is 2007.

Thanks

Quote from: NickT on August 18, 2016, 09:37:25 AM
The *intention* is that AF will work with all HC/HCD lenses. However there may be some issues with older lenses not having enough space on their eproms to store the required firmware. Sorry that's probably not the answer you were looking for!

Yes that's what I'm hearing, post 2006 lenses.

HC lenses use the same code as the V system did :

VHPICTURES
1234567890

So take letters 3 and 4 (SU) and you get 07 as you said.

Now we know why Hasselblad & Fuji called it quits.. Fuji just released their own MF mirrorless 51MP camera the GFX.  Maybe it was a conflict of interest, or could be retaliation on Fuji's part.  Who knows.

All in all Good news for MF world, which keeps growing, and not going Extinct as Critics predicted (wrongly again mind you).
Real question is whether it will be a 14 or 16 bit camera, remains to be seen.

Quote from: Barry Goyette on June 21, 2016, 03:47:48 AM

Quote from: NickT on June 19, 2016, 02:33:04 PM
This is absolutely not some "dumbed down hybrid".

It is a thing of beauty, totally new and hand-made in Sweden.

Certainly not trying to be a negative Nellie on this. By dumbed down...I mean that the target audience is "well heeled amateur". Fully functional, fully featured, yet not really designed for professional use. The continued use of the word "beautiful" and the two teasers showing a  minimalistic camera with few buttons certainly indicate exactly that kind of camera. That worries me. The new CEO has suggested a step towards "pro-sumer" and I'm really hoping for a system that isn't that. I believe strongly that mirrorless is the future of professional cameras, specifically medium format ones. If they can do it at a lower (than current) price point, Bring meaningful video features into the mix, and produce a more compact, durable body while supporting professional use, Hasselblad just might have something "game-changing"(and considering they've practically branded the new camera as such, they'd better.)

Barry Goyette

(as an aside...on the design. When I first saw the picture you posted last week, Nick, it reminded me of BlackMagic's Cinema Camera. While that camera had potential for producing nice quality images, it was hampered by an extremely limited UI and a stripped down, almost pointless camera body. It was nice looking, but not particularly useful for a professional. I'm certainly not expecting something as rudimentary as that camera. Hasselblad is an actual camera maker versus Blackmagic, which wasn't at the time, but I hope as we start to see more of the new Hasselblad, that there are a few useful buttons interrupting all that "beautiful" design.)  :-)

So it looks to me like Fuji will likely be producing (early next year)  the camera the I felt the X1d should have been. A professional medium-format mirrorless. Let's hope sweden isn't far behind. I particularly noted in their press conference the discussion of a repositionable viewfinder "that can be removed when an external monitor is used". As always, fuji isn't afraid to innovate in directions that no one else is going. https://www.dpreview.com/news/8411827820/fujfilm-announces-development-gfx-50s-medium-format-digital

5 additional XCD lenses for the X1D in the making
http://photorumors.com/2016/09/24/photokina-2016-hasselblad-x1d-medium-format-mirrorless-camera/

I received the XCD 45mm and XCD 90mm lenses from B&H last week. Just waiting on the camera. I placed my pre-order on June 23.

Joe

I still think this camera is the most exciting introduction for many a year but won't consider ordering until I'm sure it meets my needs.

I've asked the question before, but is there any update on whether the X1D will have the option of a cabled release? In-camera DOF info? Also, what are the Auto ISO options?

Thanks

Keith

Hi KeithL,

Thank you for your questions and input. I hope I can help you with some of your questions.

- Cable release option is not part of X1D feature specification and not likely to be implemented in near future. iPhone/iPad users are referred to control X1D remotely with the Hasselblad Phocus App.
- In-camera DOF info is part of the specification and is planned to be implemented some time next year
- Currently Auto ISO is set to be active between 100 and 3200, but the functionality will be updated with an option to set Auto ISO min and max values on your own

Cheers!

// Bro

Quote from: Bro on December 21, 2016, 09:35:43 PM
Hi KeithL,

Thank you for your questions and input. I hope I can help you with some of your questions.

- Cable release option is not part of X1D feature specification and not likely to be implemented in near future. iPhone/iPad users are referred to control X1D remotely with the Hasselblad Phocus App.
- In-camera DOF info is part of the specification and is planned to be implemented some time next year
- Currently Auto ISO is set to be active between 100 and 3200, but the functionality will be updated with an option to set Auto ISO min and max values on your own

Hi Bro,

Thanks for your reply.

Apologies, I don't know you, but are you are speaking on behalf of Hasselblad?

NickT has previously very kindly asked the question of Hasselblad about a cabled release and is chasing it up again after the Christmas break.I often find myself in remote situations such as abandoned interiors in the middle of nowhere on a blob of rock in the middle of the Aegean Sea, without a phone or signal.

The X1D is in my opinion the most exciting introduction for many a year, but sadly, as far as I'm concerned, the lack of a release would be a deal breaker.

Hi KeithL,

My comments in here are not official statements by Hasselblad, but I am very much involved in Hasselblad cameras development and allowed to answer some of the questions, in the very same way as NickT.

Compactness and simplicity were they key aspects in X1D concept and development process. This is very clear in the physical shape and form as well as handling and UI of the X1D. This also goes for the X1D functionality - only the most essential and must have features are included in the camera specification.

For all the bells and whistles there already is H6D which is much more advanced and modular system. It comprises a choice of optical viewfinders, a dedicated autofocus sensor and a removable digital back. Additionally the capture unit can be used with technical camera systems or replaced with a film back if required. The H6D system also has a trade-in program to support it. While the X1D is offered at a very competitive pricing, without a supporting trade-in program, the viewfinder is fixed and no technical camera connectivity.

Nevertheless, every suggestion for further improvement of the Hasselblad cameras from both current as well as potential customers is noted and evaluated. Hasselblad camera systems are continuously developed and needed features are added accordingly. The cabled release option request is on such list.

Cheers!

// Bro

you can also release the cam with the self timer set to e.g. 2 seconds - easy and efficient.

Hi Bro,

I owned and used Hasselblad H system cameras for many years in another life.

I do hope Hasselbad introduce a cabled release, I consider it to be a most essential and must have feature and certainly not a bell or whistle. I know that many other potential users were disappointed about the lack or oversight of a cabled release.

I've been in the position of having to use a self timer in the past and it's certainly not something I'd choose to return to.

I've been willing Hasselblad to introduce a medium format mirrorless camera for more years than I care to remember, more's the pity then if I have to pass for the sake of a simple cabled release.

Cheers

Keith Laban 

As an aside, is it not possible to view contributors profiles here? If I click on a contributors name I get the message An Error Has Occurred! You are not allowed to access this section

my gutt feeling is that they just forgot that little feature of a cable release socket...shit happens!....I can live with it using the self timer. Also I think they are going to make an accessory via the flash hot shoe or via USB or something. Nothing that really matters that much really, at least for me...

Quote from: Buddy on December 22, 2016, 06:20:25 AM
my gutt feeling is that they just forgot that little feature of a cable release socket...shit happens!

I'm really not expecting a conventional cable release socket. A means to release via the USB is far more likely. Pretty please...

Having read Bro's response, I'm wondering where Hasselblad see the X1D fitting in. My feeling until then is that it looks like a great camera for ageing landscape folk who don't want to lug heavy gear anymore. With some longer lenses available, I would be lining up for one. Now, I'm wondering if that was just a fantasy on my part, and it's really not meant as a serious camera, whatever that is.

Quote from: jeff.grant@pobox.com on December 22, 2016, 10:38:20 AM
Having read Bro's response, I'm wondering where Hasselblad see the X1D fitting in. My feeling until then is that it looks like a great camera for ageing landscape folk who don't want to lug heavy gear anymore. With some longer lenses available, I would be lining up for one. Now, I'm wondering if that was just a fantasy on my part, and it's really not meant as a serious camera, whatever that is.

Jeff, I have to admit Bro's response in post #156 did surprise me. To be fair much of it read as a product manager's cut and paste ;-)

Keith, I'm glad that I'm not the only one to read it that way. I don't need most of what he described It sounded like he considered the X1D to be a toy, and not a serious camera. As for new features, I bought my H3D on the promise of longer exposure times, and that never happened so I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting for a cable release.

There were always those few clients who tried it on and wanted me to reduce the fee with the argument that I'd make it up on future jobs. My stock answer was I can't live on promises ;-)

Quote from: KeithL on December 22, 2016, 01:22:43 AM
As an aside, is it not possible to view contributors profiles here? If I click on a contributors name I get the message An Error Has Occurred! You are not allowed to access this section

Correct
This is a hangover from the days when this was a closed email list, members still have an expectation of privacy and that is honoured.

I don't suppose that you could stir Bro up to tell us what Hasselblad thinks the X1D is all about,Nick?

Hi Jeff!

The Hasselblad X1D is all about making medium format available to much wider photographer base. Hence, the aggressive price point, the very compact and lightweight camera body enabling higher portability, the intuitaibe UI for ease of use, etc.

Nevertheless, the Hasselblad X1D incorporates the very same new electronic platform and the 50MP CMOS medium format sensor just like the Hasselblad H6D-50c, delivering comparible high quality medium format photographs.

In analogue times, Hasselblad cameras were never that expensive that only top-end professionals could afford them. Many enthusiasts, semi-professionals, wedding and landscape photographers were able to own a Hasselblad. Hopefully the Hasselblad X1D will be able to fill that gap.

Cheers!

// Bro

Thanks Bro, that makes a lot of sense. It occurred to me that the X1D could be the ideal landscape camera for old folk. Lugging an H around becomes progressively less attractive as one ages. I understand the desire to widen the customer base but I'm really sceptical about how handheld images are going to look which is what the advertising implies. Remembering back to when the D800 came out there was widespread outrage that you could barely use 36MP handheld.

I got mine today together with the 45mm lens. First in my area and third in the world (but this is not for sure though and also doesn't really matter though....).
Just a quick additional infos:
1. selection of various focus points works quite phantastic by the front and back wheel when in focus point selection modus (after pressing the top camera located focus button for little longer than a second or so). One can do this with looking at the live view LCD and also by touching the targeted focus point directly on the LCD. Moreover the selection with front/back wheel (normally for aperture and shutter selection) is also possible when looking through the viewfinder, meaning that one can do the change without having to take the eye away from the viewfinder. Quite nice IMO or actually: brilliant!
2. When looking at the live view LCD and manual focusing (rotating the lens jut a little) the LCD goes immediately to 100% for accurate focus acquisition and goes back to normal full view when stopping rotating the lens. Really smart feature, bravo Hasselblad! However, this feature can be put on or off in the menu.

That's all for now, she is charging....

Congratulations and enjoy! Still waiting for my 100c.

Hi Buddy

What firmware version do you have on your X1D?

Camera : v1.14.2-5428
Lens : v.0.5.3

So you still have no GPS with this firmware...

At the moment i don't nave gps enabled in my camera.

In the early specification there was GPS built in - now it seems they have changed the spec for external GPS. In the actual user manual there is nothing about a GPS unit delivered with the camera. There was also focus peaking in the early spec - it seems gone (check for early spec: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/hasselblad-x1d/hasselblad-x1dDAT.HTM). An other little thing is you can't set the copyright settings in the camera.

The GPS unit is now a separate unit included in the purchase price. Focus peaking exists and will come in a firmware update.

obviously only for paying members....who would pay for that? Anyways, I have the X1D in my hands, better than any reviews...

Could some kind soul with the camera confirm the range of auto ISO setups?

TIA

haven't got it out yet, but I think it goes up to ISO 3200, that was the highest amplification on some of the files I shot recently on Auto ISO. Also, there is no specific setting yet for fine tuning the auto ISO setting as your may know from Nikonicans etc, like max. ISO, min. shutter time etc.
They say that these features will come in future firmwares...

I use auto ISO on my Nikon (with the ability to set minimum shutter speed) it's one of my favourite features for hand held shooting.

there is also auto WB, works quite well I think so far...

Quote from: NickT on January 18, 2017, 08:53:55 AM
I use Auot ISO on my Nikon (with the ability to set minimum shutter speed) it's one of my favourite features for hand held shooting.

It's also one of my favourite features on my Leicas. Hope Hasselblad incorporate the option to nail down personal auto ISO setting in future FW.

Still awaiting features before coming to a decision or commiting. 

The LuLa review states that the X1D has "shutter lag" (I.e., a noticeable delay from the moment that the shutter button is depressed till the exposure is actually made). For those who own or have worked with the X1D, have you noticed this in shooting?

Fuji has just announced the GFX50S. It even comes with an adapter (with tripod mount ) that will allow attachment of GX645AF lenses. I'm assuming that those lenses are interchangeable with H lenses. It looks like the competition has arrived.

Quote from: hcubell on January 19, 2017, 05:08:49 PM
The LuLa review states that the X1D has "shutter lag" (I.e., a noticeable delay from the moment that the shutter button is depressed till the exposure is actually made). For those who own or have worked with the X1D, have you noticed this in shooting?

Comparing to a professional Nikon (D5 or so) or Canon, then yes, there is a kind of shutter lag. But quite similar the larger H6 or probably any other MF cam. Example: I recently shot with a ballet dancer with high jumping using a H5D and after some initial trials I noticed that I must press the shot release well before she is in the highest position. Just bear in mind that these cams do have some disadvantages for high dynamic type of photography.

I think the X1D takes about 1/2 sec until the shot is taken; it takes about 1.5 sec until the LCD is ready for the next shot. I can try later to see when the flash is actually firing.

It would seem, judging from the caption under the third image here » ... Camera: Hasselblad X1D-50c, Shutter Speed:1/160 second, Aperture:F/4, Focal Length:150 mm, ISO Speed:100 ...«
http://www.hasselblad.com/our-world/feature/peter-coulson-hasselblad-ambassador
that Peter Coulson is using the adapter for H lenses with his X1D. Anybody else had a chance to try one?

Cheers,
ganesh

Camera: Hasselblad X1D-50c, Shutter Speed:1/160 second, Aperture:F/4, Focal Length:150 mm, ISO Speed:100 ...«

This information is not correct. He is using the 90mm lens. If you download the picture you can check the exif-data...

Makes sense. Thanks xpixel.

Quote from: jeff.grant@pobox.com on January 19, 2017, 07:52:07 PM
Fuji has just announced the GFX50S. It even comes with an adapter (with tripod mount ) that will allow attachment of GX645AF lenses. I'm assuming that those lenses are interchangeable with H lenses. It looks like the competition has arrived.

I am not aware that Hasselblad is offering a tripod collar with its HC lens adapter for the X1D. That's an unfortunate omission. A number of the HC lenses seem too big to use with the X1D on a tripod.

My experience with the H is that any long lens needs a collar, as well as the zooms. It appears that the X1D and GFX50S are going to need H lenses for anything long. I must have been hibernating when the world decided that wide was all that was needed.

Quote from: jeff.grant@pobox.com on January 21, 2017, 09:44:56 AM
My experience with the H is that any long lens needs a collar, as well as the zooms. It appears that the X1D and GFX50S are going to need H lenses for anything long. I must have been hibernating when the world decided that wide was all that was needed.

The 300 mm comes with a tripod mount that uses 2 "small thumb screws" to attach to the lens.

Indeed it does, but the zooms, 150 and 210 don't and they are all heavy little devils.

Quote from: jeff.grant@pobox.com on January 21, 2017, 09:44:56 AM
My experience with the H is that any long lens needs a collar, as well as the zooms. It appears that the X1D and GFX50S are going to need H lenses for anything long. I must have been hibernating when the world decided that wide was all that was needed.

There is nothing beyond 110mm on Fuji's lens roadmap. Hasselblad has said it intends to release 5 additional lenses in 2017, but no word on focal lengths. I have made extensive use of my HC 150 and 210, so I hope there are comparable X1D lenses coming.

I emailed the product manager the moment I heard about the HC adaptor requesting a tripod collar, It's definitely on the list.

Anything on the next lenses would be great too, Nick. Using H lenses via an adapter would hardly be ideal.

Quote from: KeithL on December 21, 2016, 10:48:30 PM

Quote from: Bro on December 21, 2016, 09:35:43 PM
Hi KeithL,

Thank you for your questions and input. I hope I can help you with some of your questions.

- Cable release option is not part of X1D feature specification and not likely to be implemented in near future. iPhone/iPad users are referred to control X1D remotely with the Hasselblad Phocus App. ...

... NickT has previously very kindly asked the question of Hasselblad about a cabled release and is chasing it up again after the Christmas break.I often find myself in remote situations such as abandoned interiors in the middle of nowhere on a blob of rock in the middle of the Aegean Sea, without a phone or signal.

Why would you need a signal to use the app as a release?  I use the phone App for my Leica SL all the time, and I don't need a cellphone signal or WiFi network available.  When I turn WLAN on on the camera, as one of the options I select "Remote Control by App", and I then launch the App on my phone and click "Connect".  It's simple and reliable.

I assume the X1D is the same?

Check this...

https://blog.mingthein.com/2017/01/29/short-term-pain-long-term-gain/#more-14094

Ming gets it right.

Soon a new firmware version for the X1D available...?! There is a new X1D user guide pdf 1.3 for downloading and on page 111 there is an "About Menu" with firmware v1.23-4567... the downloadable firmware is 1.14.2... and why is there lens firmware v0.5.2...? The latest one is already v0.5.3...

I think those firmware numbers in the manual are just placeholders...

Quote from: NickT on February 01, 2017, 11:40:28 AM
I think those firmware numbers in the manual are just placeholders...

This post seems to be stuck as unread.

EDIT: this post seems to have fixed it.
;)

My 30mm has arrived...  :) :) :) I will post some full picture download link if you want to have it...

(https://www.hasselbladdigitalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fweb164.120.hosttech.eu%2Fx1d%2Fxcd30mm.jpg&hash=91c7abaec37ba71eb076caded55225cd2840b075)

Would love to see more XCD30 photos, please post!
Thanks

Quote from: outside_late on February 11, 2017, 11:37:06 AM
Would love to see more XCD30 photos, please post!
Thanks

Ok... here an original full size JPG and RAW picture 30mm lens with X1D...   :)

http://web164.120.hosttech.eu/x1d/30mm.zip (http://web164.120.hosttech.eu/x1d/30mm.zip)

One more review
http://blog.michaelclarkphoto.com/?p=5689

http://www.hasselblad.com/lenses/x-system/xcd-macro-120mm
Holy shit! Buy all lenses once more. : )

There are even more lenses to come...

http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/hasselblad-announces-new-xcd-35120mm-macro-lens/

Unfortunately it's a 1:2 macro not an 1:1... :(

Quote from: ganesh on March 01, 2017, 06:16:18 AM
http://www.hasselblad.com/lenses/x-system/xcd-macro-120mm
Holy shit! Buy all lenses once more. : )

The most exciting news for me is none other than long awaited:

XH Lens Adapter
The XH Lens Adapter can be used to mount an HC or HCD lens onto an X1D. The XH adapter widens your X1D lens choices to include all 12 H-system HC/HCD lenses, and accessories including a macro converter and 3 extension tubes. The HC/HCD lens range includes a 24mm wide angle, 300mm telephoto and a 100mm f2.2 delivering ultra-thin depth of field and a beautiful smooth Bokeh.

http://www.hasselblad.com/lenses/x-system/xh-lens-adapter (http://www.hasselblad.com/lenses/x-system/xh-lens-adapter)

https://blog.mingthein.com/2017/03/01/new-hasselblad-x-lenses/