• X2D —> turn OFF (or not) IBIS when using a tripod?

[Dimitric]

Hello -
 
 
With the arrival of the X2D and its built-in stabilization system (IBIS), I have already read that it is important to disable this system if you use a tripod.
Which will be my case for 95% of the pictures I will take.

To set the context, I will use the camera with a tripod and an adapter ring with a zoom lens from Canon.

However, articles are popping up here and there (evidence to support it) that it is not necessary/advisable to disable IBIS after all.
I just read an article about this.

In the end, what should be done?
What do you recommend?

As reminder:
X2D + tripod + Canon Zoom (with adapter ring)

 
Thank you for your insights
Enjoy your day.
 
 
 
- Dimitri
 

[danord]

We will probably have to test this before we have a definitive answer. My previous experience with lens-based IS is that it should be turned off when on a tripod. If not, images got slightly blurred. For this IBIS, I don't know, but Hasselblad states that it should be turned off. The way I will do this is to make different custom profiles for different shooting situations, and have one profile for handheld shooting (eg IBIS enabled, auto iso etc.) and a different for tripod photography with native lenses and a again a different for tripod use with adapted lenses (e-shutter enabled). Pretty much the way I've used my old X1D and my H6D-100c (except IBIS obviously § )

[Dicky]

Hi Dimitri

Am most curious as to why you fancy using second-rate, non-prime, non-native optics on a 100 MP Hasselblad system?
Can the Canon zoom lens handle the 100 MP resolution without any distortion, thats going to be most interesting to see ...

Best wishes

[SrMi]

AFAIK, all manufacturers recommend turning off IBIS on a tripod. Some photographers even turn off IBIS when the shutter speed is high enough to make it unnecessary.

I always turn off IBIS when on a tripod unless I forget . One problem with IBIS when using longer lenses is that framing is difficult: as you move your camera, IBIS sometimes starts moving the sensor and changing the framing after you stop adjusting the camera's position.

If there is a lot of wind or the tripod is not perfectly stable, I may turn on IBIS even when the camera is on a tripod.

If there is no camera shake, IBIS does not help. It either has zero or a negative effect.

I recommend turning IBIS off when shooting with your setup (X2D + tripod + Canon Zoom (with adapter ring)).

[Dimitric]

Hi Dimitri

Am most curious as to why you fancy using second-rate, non-prime, non-native optics on a 100 MP Hasselblad system?
Can the Canon zoom lens handle the 100 MP resolution without any distortion, thats going to be most interesting to see ...

Best wishes

 
Hey Dicky...

For my style of photography, I need an ultra wide angle lens (most of the. time). The XCD 21 is (very) good but sometimes not wide enough 
Shooting in the dust (what I do), the zoom from Canon allows me not to change lenses and has the advantage of being a zoom (helpful in some occasions).

This zoom gives more than correct results with the X1DII.
Now, you are right, we'll see with the X2D...

Wait and see...
 
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Thx SrMi,
thx Danor

for your replies/advices  
  
 
 
 - Dimitri

[Dicky]

Hi Dimitri 

Thats a very creative solution to keeping your sensor clean ...
Shooting-in-the-dust-without-having-to-worry-about-it, must be great creative fun and I can imagine that you've got some amazing results!!
Rarely, ever use a wide-angle lens these days. Our beloved V system Carl Zeiss CF 40mm FLE was amazing for shootiing Hotels and Corporates on film shoots, some twenty-odd years ago, but hardly got used otherwise.

With the 100MP sensor you may have possibly to crop the edges slightly.
Wish you lots of creative fun, looking forwardss to seeing some results!

Best wishes

[JCM-Photos]

For me it's complete nonsense to use a medium format digital camera with only a FF zoom.

[Photon42]

Hi Dimitri

Am most curious as to why you fancy using second-rate, non-prime, non-native optics on a 100 MP Hasselblad system?
Can the Canon zoom lens handle the 100 MP resolution without any distortion, thats going to be most interesting to see ...

Best wishes

Why don't you use a Canon camera for it? Is it really only the 100MP?

Hey Dicky...

For my style of photography, I need an ultra wide angle lens (most of the. time). The XCD 21 is (very) good but sometimes not wide enough 
Shooting in the dust (what I do), the zoom from Canon allows me not to change lenses and has the advantage of being a zoom (helpful in some occasions).

This zoom gives more than correct results with the X1DII.
Now, you are right, we'll see with the X2D...

Wait and see...

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Thx SrMi,
thx Danor

for your replies/advices 
 


- Dimitri

[Dicky]

Hi JCM 
Hi Photon42 

Can imagine if one is shooting in an environment with "clouds of rising dust everywhere", image quality will be not something to be too worried about, hence a DSLR may also do the job too but only when the shot is wide enough!!
Personally dont use non-prime lenses, as zoom lenses simply dont do it for me, but for an arty-themed shot, they might just do, when used in rising clouds of dust, especially if, you could manually zoom out and drag the shutter at the same time!!

Looking forwards to seeing some arty results from Dimitri

[Dimitric]

For me it's complete nonsense to use a medium format digital camera with only a FF zoom.

Hello JCM -

I try to apply what you write -> 

Now I can understand that at your level this combination doesn't make sense (you are probably a professional, which I am not just an enthusiast  )

Honestly the results gotten with the X1DII and the Canon 16-35mm f/2.8 III are more than acceptable.
I also made this choice following the tests made by Vieri:  https://www.hasselbladdigitalforum.com/index.php?topic=6954.0

I explained the reasons behind this choice that you qualified as "nonsense".
And for Dicky, here are a couple of results with the X1DII of course (not the most dusty)  —>   https://tinyurl.com/bdehdr3m

@JCM, if you have another viable solution, I am ready to listen to it.

@Photon42, I don't like cameras with endless menus and too many buttons, it gives me spots... 
Coming from Leica®, I also find the pleasure of the "simple/essential" photography, and moreover it is a beautiful object.
 
 
Thank you, have a great day



- Dimitri
 

[Dimitric]

" ... I try to apply what you write -> ..."

   =

Sharpen your eyes not your files

[Dicky]

Hi Dimitri 

Thank you kindly for an amazing visual treat ... you have exceptional talent 
Your work is absolutely stunning, the results look absolutely ace, have you thought about publishing a coffee table book of your works? and/or entering the next Hasselblad Masters? Bravo

Best wishes

[JCM-Photos]

 Hi dimitric, for me there is no difference between high end amateur enthousiasts and high end professionals. Gear is only a tool that has to fit best the needs and style of a photographer.
High end amateurs are often much better than weak professionals

For example :
-1- I use currently a TT Artisan 90mm 1.25 in native XCD mount, not adapted M mount that has big vignetting on the X1D.
This lens is bad at short and long distances, even with a closed aperture !
But it is very sharp at 1.25 in the center at distance roughly between 1,5m and 10m. At these distances it makes at 1.25 unique environmental portraits, with a unique 3D pop and monster bokeh. With some training I got rid of rolling shutter and with electronic shutter made sharp pictures at 1/10s without IBIS !
For me This lens cannot safely do anything else as these types of portraits but it does it in very unique nice way.

-2- I also use a Mamiya Sekor C 500 mm reflex f:8 adapted on the X1D. This lens has a very short depth of field with out of focus parts rendered like paint brush strokes. I use it for dreamy pictures, and it will never be able to do architecture for example.

So everyone sees now why IBIS on the X1D is not relevant for me, but it can be for another person.
And IBIS is always active on my Leica Q, because I use this camera for totally different shootings.

[Photon42]

@Photon42, I don't like cameras with endless menus and too many buttons, it gives me spots... 
Coming from Leica®, I also find the pleasure of the "simple/essential" photography, and moreover it is a beautiful object. 

I can relate.

[anGy]

Honestly the results gotten with the X1DII and the Canon 16-35mm f/2.8 III are more than acceptable.
I also made this choice following the tests made by Vieri:  https://www.hasselbladdigitalforum.com/index.php?topic=6954.0

Wonderfull gallery, great job with this nonsense equipment combination :-)
Could you tell us more about the way the 16-35 handles the MF size sensor ? best at which focal length and aperture, etc ?