Quote from: Orokaj on May 31, 2023, 10:17:55 AM

Quote from: MSuser on May 03, 2023, 05:58:05 PM
For a little historical perspective...

June 19, 2019 – Hasselblad announces the predecessor to the X2D 100C, the X1D II 50C. The initial firmware release is 1.0.0.

October 2, 2019 – Firmware version 1.0.1 is released as a stability improvement release.

November 2019 – Firmware version 1.0.2 is released with additional bug fixes and stability improvements.

December 2019 – Firmware version 1.1.0 is released with one new feature: compatibility with Phocus Mobile 2.

June 4, 2020 – Firmware version 1.2.0 is the first major feature release update which adds: Video Recording, Focus Bracketing, Image Rating, Expanded White Balance Tools, Auto White Balance based on captured image, EVF proximity sensor settings, and more.

https://www.hasselblad.com/x-system/firmware/x1d-ii-50c-firmware-update-1-2-0/

https://www.hasselblad.com/press/press-releases/2020/hasselblad-powerful-updates-for-expanded-creativity-x1d-ii-50c-907x-special-edition-xcd-45p

July 2020 – Firmware version 1.3.0 adds setting ISO and white balance from in camera live view screen and faster battery charging.

October 2020 – Firmware version 1.4.0 adds distance scale in live view, exposure metering and number of frames options in interval timer, updates to Phocus Mobile 2.

https://www.hasselblad.com/x-system/firmware/x1d-ii-50c-firmware-update-1-4-0/

September 2022 – Firmware version 1.5.2 adds support for XCD 38V, 55V, and 90V lenses with the AF/MF switch and control ring.

https://www.hasselblad.com/x-system/firmware/

There is no mandate that the X2D 100C must follow the same development path as its immediate predecessor—past performance is no guarantee of future results—but I thought it might be worth some consideration.

Ah good to see you here, not surprised, not at all.

First of all, you said X1D2 is predecessor to the X2D 100C, so the successor: X2D 100C doesn't have the existing features from X1D2? when they have been development and implemented years prior to now, which X2D still doesn't have, such as crop modes and focus peaking.

Second, where did HD say X2D 100C is the predecessor anyways?  X2D in Hasselblad's words is their "flagship" so the flagship model has been missing some of the basic features their older models have had for over 2 -3 years, still counting.

You're right that there is no mandate that X2D must follow, logically it would have those features already from X1D2. unless you like new cameras with less features and more money, you do you.

Lastly, past performances is no guarantee of future results, you said it yourself. so please not quote on HB's recent finance performances showing they are profiting. no guarantees right?

Thank you.

In fairness to the original you quoted....

The X1DII was also an update of an existing camera. A camera that had those features implemented. A camera that also took a year to get its full feature set. Yet the X1DII also had to take its time to get the same features added and this was with the SAME sensor. At least the sensor in the X2D and processor are both new.

I'm not saying that users shouldn't be frustrated by all the delays. The lens is inexcusable. They should have had the thing at least working properly before announcing it and taking my money. But I'm also not surprised. I did this with the X1D and the X1DII. I was actually expecting it with the X2D. That's why I kept and am using my original 90 instead of selling it like some did.

Gordon

Quote from: Orokaj on May 31, 2023, 10:17:55 AM

Quote from: MSuser on May 03, 2023, 05:58:05 PM
For a little historical perspective...

June 19, 2019 – Hasselblad announces the predecessor to the X2D 100C, the X1D II 50C. The initial firmware release is 1.0.0.

October 2, 2019 – Firmware version 1.0.1 is released as a stability improvement release.

November 2019 – Firmware version 1.0.2 is released with additional bug fixes and stability improvements.

December 2019 – Firmware version 1.1.0 is released with one new feature: compatibility with Phocus Mobile 2.

June 4, 2020 – Firmware version 1.2.0 is the first major feature release update which adds: Video Recording, Focus Bracketing, Image Rating, Expanded White Balance Tools, Auto White Balance based on captured image, EVF proximity sensor settings, and more.

https://www.hasselblad.com/x-system/firmware/x1d-ii-50c-firmware-update-1-2-0/

https://www.hasselblad.com/press/press-releases/2020/hasselblad-powerful-updates-for-expanded-creativity-x1d-ii-50c-907x-special-edition-xcd-45p

July 2020 – Firmware version 1.3.0 adds setting ISO and white balance from in camera live view screen and faster battery charging.

October 2020 – Firmware version 1.4.0 adds distance scale in live view, exposure metering and number of frames options in interval timer, updates to Phocus Mobile 2.

https://www.hasselblad.com/x-system/firmware/x1d-ii-50c-firmware-update-1-4-0/

September 2022 – Firmware version 1.5.2 adds support for XCD 38V, 55V, and 90V lenses with the AF/MF switch and control ring.

https://www.hasselblad.com/x-system/firmware/

There is no mandate that the X2D 100C must follow the same development path as its immediate predecessor—past performance is no guarantee of future results—but I thought it might be worth some consideration.

Ah good to see you here, not surprised, not at all.

First of all, you said X1D2 is predecessor to the X2D 100C, so the successor: X2D 100C doesn't have the existing features from X1D2? when they have been development and implemented years prior to now, which X2D still doesn't have, such as crop modes and focus peaking.

Second, where did HD say X2D 100C is the predecessor anyways?  X2D in Hasselblad's words is their "flagship" so the flagship model has been missing some of the basic features their older models have had for over 2 -3 years, still counting.

You're right that there is no mandate that X2D must follow, logically it would have those features already from X1D2. unless you like new cameras with less features and more money, you do you.

Lastly, past performances is no guarantee of future results, you said it yourself. so please not quote on HB's recent finance performances showing they are profiting. no guarantees right?

Thank you.

There's some very strange personal dynamics interfering with an otherwise informative thread. I'm expecting criticism of grammar and punctuation next. What makes it especially frustrating is that there seems little disagreement over the facts, yet an insistence on straw man, ad hominem, and argument from repetition fallacies involved in arguing over their interpretation.

Well, it has persisted through many threads, so I don't expect it to stop now.

Quote from: flash on May 31, 2023, 10:32:19 AM

Quote from: Orokaj on May 31, 2023, 10:17:55 AM

Quote from: MSuser on May 03, 2023, 05:58:05 PM
For a little historical perspective...

June 19, 2019 – Hasselblad announces the predecessor to the X2D 100C, the X1D II 50C. The initial firmware release is 1.0.0.

October 2, 2019 – Firmware version 1.0.1 is released as a stability improvement release.

November 2019 – Firmware version 1.0.2 is released with additional bug fixes and stability improvements.

December 2019 – Firmware version 1.1.0 is released with one new feature: compatibility with Phocus Mobile 2.

June 4, 2020 – Firmware version 1.2.0 is the first major feature release update which adds: Video Recording, Focus Bracketing, Image Rating, Expanded White Balance Tools, Auto White Balance based on captured image, EVF proximity sensor settings, and more.

https://www.hasselblad.com/x-system/firmware/x1d-ii-50c-firmware-update-1-2-0/

https://www.hasselblad.com/press/press-releases/2020/hasselblad-powerful-updates-for-expanded-creativity-x1d-ii-50c-907x-special-edition-xcd-45p

July 2020 – Firmware version 1.3.0 adds setting ISO and white balance from in camera live view screen and faster battery charging.

October 2020 – Firmware version 1.4.0 adds distance scale in live view, exposure metering and number of frames options in interval timer, updates to Phocus Mobile 2.

https://www.hasselblad.com/x-system/firmware/x1d-ii-50c-firmware-update-1-4-0/

September 2022 – Firmware version 1.5.2 adds support for XCD 38V, 55V, and 90V lenses with the AF/MF switch and control ring.

https://www.hasselblad.com/x-system/firmware/

There is no mandate that the X2D 100C must follow the same development path as its immediate predecessor—past performance is no guarantee of future results—but I thought it might be worth some consideration.

Ah good to see you here, not surprised, not at all.

First of all, you said X1D2 is predecessor to the X2D 100C, so the successor: X2D 100C doesn't have the existing features from X1D2? when they have been development and implemented years prior to now, which X2D still doesn't have, such as crop modes and focus peaking.

Second, where did HD say X2D 100C is the predecessor anyways?  X2D in Hasselblad's words is their "flagship" so the flagship model has been missing some of the basic features their older models have had for over 2 -3 years, still counting.

You're right that there is no mandate that X2D must follow, logically it would have those features already from X1D2. unless you like new cameras with less features and more money, you do you.

Lastly, past performances is no guarantee of future results, you said it yourself. so please not quote on HB's recent finance performances showing they are profiting. no guarantees right?

Thank you.

In fairness to the original you quoted....

The X1DII was also an update of an existing camera. A camera that had those features implemented. A camera that also took a year to get its full feature set. Yet the X1DII also had to take its time to get the same features added and this was with the SAME sensor. At least the sensor in the X2D and processor are both new.

I'm not saying that users shouldn't be frustrated by all the delays. The lens is inexcusable. They should have had the thing at least working properly before announcing it and taking my money. But I'm also not surprised. I did this with the X1D and the X1DII. I was actually expecting it with the X2D. That's why I kept and am using my original 90 instead of selling it like some did.

Gordon

I'm rooting for HB, the love hate relationship will last for a good few years =D

Quote from: MGrayson on May 31, 2023, 11:03:05 AM

Quote from: Orokaj on May 31, 2023, 10:17:55 AM

Quote from: MSuser on May 03, 2023, 05:58:05 PM
For a little historical perspective...

June 19, 2019 – Hasselblad announces the predecessor to the X2D 100C, the X1D II 50C. The initial firmware release is 1.0.0.

October 2, 2019 – Firmware version 1.0.1 is released as a stability improvement release.

November 2019 – Firmware version 1.0.2 is released with additional bug fixes and stability improvements.

December 2019 – Firmware version 1.1.0 is released with one new feature: compatibility with Phocus Mobile 2.

June 4, 2020 – Firmware version 1.2.0 is the first major feature release update which adds: Video Recording, Focus Bracketing, Image Rating, Expanded White Balance Tools, Auto White Balance based on captured image, EVF proximity sensor settings, and more.

https://www.hasselblad.com/x-system/firmware/x1d-ii-50c-firmware-update-1-2-0/

https://www.hasselblad.com/press/press-releases/2020/hasselblad-powerful-updates-for-expanded-creativity-x1d-ii-50c-907x-special-edition-xcd-45p

July 2020 – Firmware version 1.3.0 adds setting ISO and white balance from in camera live view screen and faster battery charging.

October 2020 – Firmware version 1.4.0 adds distance scale in live view, exposure metering and number of frames options in interval timer, updates to Phocus Mobile 2.

https://www.hasselblad.com/x-system/firmware/x1d-ii-50c-firmware-update-1-4-0/

September 2022 – Firmware version 1.5.2 adds support for XCD 38V, 55V, and 90V lenses with the AF/MF switch and control ring.

https://www.hasselblad.com/x-system/firmware/

There is no mandate that the X2D 100C must follow the same development path as its immediate predecessor—past performance is no guarantee of future results—but I thought it might be worth some consideration.

Ah good to see you here, not surprised, not at all.

First of all, you said X1D2 is predecessor to the X2D 100C, so the successor: X2D 100C doesn't have the existing features from X1D2? when they have been development and implemented years prior to now, which X2D still doesn't have, such as crop modes and focus peaking.

Second, where did HD say X2D 100C is the predecessor anyways?  X2D in Hasselblad's words is their "flagship" so the flagship model has been missing some of the basic features their older models have had for over 2 -3 years, still counting.

You're right that there is no mandate that X2D must follow, logically it would have those features already from X1D2. unless you like new cameras with less features and more money, you do you.

Lastly, past performances is no guarantee of future results, you said it yourself. so please not quote on HB's recent finance performances showing they are profiting. no guarantees right?

Thank you.

There's some very strange personal dynamics interfering with an otherwise informative thread. I'm expecting criticism of grammar and punctuation next. What makes it especially frustrating is that there seems little disagreement over the facts, yet an insistence on straw man, ad hominem, and argument from repetition fallacies involved in arguing over their interpretation.

Well, it has persisted through many threads, so I don't expect it to stop now.

Apologies for the poor grammar and punctuation, English is not my first language.

I understand your frustration with the personal dynamics in the thread and the persistence of fallacious arguments. However, I respectfully disagree with the notion that these dynamics are strange or interfering with the informative nature of the discussion.

Personal dynamics, while they can introduce challenges, are a natural part of any discussion involving diverse individuals. They reflect the different backgrounds, experiences, and perspective people bring to the table. While it can be frustrating at times, these dynamics also contributes to a richer exchange of ideas and the potential for a more comprehensive understanding of the topic.

While you state that there is little disagreement over the facts, interpreting those facts can still be a valid point of contention. The interpretation of information allows for a deeper exploration and analysis of its implications. While fallacies like straw man, ad hominem, and argument from repetition should be avoided, discussions over different interpretations can foster critical thinking and promote a more comprehensive understanding of the topic.

I disagree with the characterization of personal dynamics as strange and their interference with the informative nature of the thread. I believe that personal dynamics and discussions over interpretations, while challenging at times, can contribute to a more nuanced and comprehensive understanding of the subject matter.

Is this a ChatGTP generated answer?

FYI I've just added a new rule asking people not to use ChatGTP or any other AI to generate content here.

Thanks

Quote from: NickT on May 31, 2023, 03:01:29 PM
Is this a ChatGTP generated answer?

FYI I've just added a new rule asking people not to use ChatGTP or any other AI to generate content here.

Thanks

Thanks Nick, I think its about time.

Quote from: Orokaj on May 31, 2023, 10:17:55 AM

Ah good to see you here, not surprised, not at all.

Thank you.

Well, it is nice to have someone drop in occasionally to provide a measure of objectivity in response to the constant "THE SKY IS FALLING" fantasies.

Dear Hasselblad photographers,

we need to be a little more patient with firmwares, features and new lenses. Hasselblad is a relatively small company compared to Nikon, Canon and Sony. Hasselblad employees have been perfectionists at all times. This means that they always try to achieve the optimum. Time does not play such a big role for Hasselblad employees, but in the end, hardware and software have to be the best possible.

As an owner of a H6D-100c and a X2D-100c, I am very confident that Hasselblad will achieve their goals. And after various unsuccessful owners of Hasselblad, we can all be happy with DJI now taking the lead and funding at Hasselblad.

In the future, if Phase One will be primarily responsible only for professional museum photography, but we will have Hasselblad as a producer for the needs of medium format photographers. Medium format will eventually replace the normal full-frame 24x36mm of Nikon, Canon, Sony and Leica, as ever higher resolutions of sensors and lenses will increasingly result in diffraction phenomena.

The medium format - even the small one - is the solution! So please be patient!

Quote from: hcubell on June 01, 2023, 12:19:59 AM

Quote from: Orokaj on May 31, 2023, 10:17:55 AM

Ah good to see you here, not surprised, not at all.

Thank you.

Well, it is nice to have someone drop in occasionally to provide a measure of objectivity in response to the constant "THE SKY IS FALLING" fantasies.

I honestly don't know why is there such low tolerance for complains or rants but from the look it there are those few who just love to defend HB for the sake of defending it.

Its a love and hate relationship for me, maybe for many of you too. we rant about the things we hate but it doesn't stop our love, if HB can't hear what we hate about, how will they know what we will love?

We all spent a good chunk of money to get into this brand and "sky is falling" is a constant phenomenon, doesn't it make you think why or how its so ''constant''?

I get some tips and heads ups from the people at/close to HB and I share it with the fb groups so I am somewhat confident that DJI will look after HB for a good while. At the same time, their communication is very poor, there is no doubt about it, sure  people are used to this, but it doesn't have to be this way, not in 2023.

The X2D is a great camera.  HB is slow with firmware updates. That's it.  That's the story.  Period.

To quote from my own earlier post in this thread...

Quote from: MSuser on May 04, 2023, 08:53:42 AM
None of what I've written, in this or other threads, should be interpreted as a belief that the people working at Hasselblad cannot do a better job or that they don't stumble and make mistakes. They can do better and they do stumble and make mistakes. They are not immune to criticism. I just hope to do some weeding out of worries which are perhaps unwarranted or unnecessary.

Personally, I've long felt that they could do a better job of marketing by providing more in-depth insight into some of the technology and effort which goes into their products. They occasionally have made some effort at that, but not with the regularity or depth that I'd like to see. They could do a better job at communicating when there are delays in production or expressing their future goals. But... none of that has affected the images I get or my enjoyment in using the equipment, so I don't dwell on it much and just get on with making images.

That said... there are posts from time to time which are, in my personal opinion, excessive in their concern. Occasionally, a post may appear designed to magnify some specific issue or issues into a crisis beyond proportion or reason and which the larger picture or broader context don't justify in my view. If others disagree, they have a right to their opinion — as we all do — and I support their right to express it. I would hope they support the right of others to express opinions differing from their own as well.

Quote from: MSuser on June 01, 2023, 12:31:43 PM
To quote from my own earlier post in this thread...

Quote from: MSuser on May 04, 2023, 08:53:42 AM
None of what I've written, in this or other threads, should be interpreted as a belief that the people working at Hasselblad cannot do a better job or that they don't stumble and make mistakes. They can do better and they do stumble and make mistakes. They are not immune to criticism. I just hope to do some weeding out of worries which are perhaps unwarranted or unnecessary.

Personally, I've long felt that they could do a better job of marketing by providing more in-depth insight into some of the technology and effort which goes into their products. They occasionally have made some effort at that, but not with the regularity or depth that I'd like to see. They could do a better job at communicating when there are delays in production or expressing their future goals. But... none of that has affected the images I get or my enjoyment in using the equipment, so I don't dwell on it much and just get on with making images.

That said... there are posts from time to time which are, in my personal opinion, excessive in their concern. Occasionally, a post may appear designed to magnify some specific issue or issues into a crisis beyond proportion or reason and which the larger picture or broader context don't justify in my view. If others disagree, they have a right to their opinion — as we all do — and I support their right to express it. I would hope they support the right of others to express opinions differing from their own as well.

To me it seems like long time HB users frustrated and in despair.

How much people worry about details and the things they can't control seems to vary from one individual to another — like most things in life.

Best regards

In the last week, my new Range Rover had 2 software updates. My home WiFi router had one. I have a high-end audio D/A converter that hasn't worked consistently since I got it even after 5 updates. I spent 30 years as an engineer and it is part of what we have when processors are in equipment we purchase. Companies can push products to market and add "features" later. We have to accept it and I suspect as we all get older, our acceptance comes more easily. I enjoy the X2D and look forward to other features but nothing is keeping me from enjoying it.

I shoot 8x10 and 4x5 film as well. Those cameras never require a software update.....

Quote from: Andy Miller Photo UK on May 03, 2023, 05:26:12 AM
Well folk it is clearly that time ----  moaning mini here

I have owned my X2D-100C from 14-Sept-2022 and have luv'd it - but with the expectation that the differences between it and the X1D-ii AND the challenges of using it tethered would be solved "soon" via a firmware update. Well here we are in MAY 2023 and there is NO SIGN of anything useful coming out of Hasselblad.
FIRMWARE 1.1.0 FOR HASSELBLAD X2D 100C was issued on 31 Jan 2023 -- but it ONLY addressed a couple of basic connectivity and image transfer issues when using Phocus Mobile 2 -- neither of which I use.
I started a thread on 11 October 2022 X2D - Firmware update priorities -- http://www.hasselbladdigitalforum.com/index.php?topic=8213.0 -- which has been read 5101 times and added to frequently BUT still nothing meaningful from Hasselblad.

COME ON HASSELBLAD let us have the good stuff that I for one have been waiting for.

For those in any doubt these are all that we had in the X1D-ii and more. Have a look at the entries in the thread.

I hope Hasselblad are listing !!!

I bring good news, new firmware will be available for download at around 9am Eastern Time.