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Title: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: Buddy on December 05, 2016, 11:12:45 PM
This is a list of features (missing and promised) of current H6D cameras using latest firmware 1.12.0 (where Raw video and spirit level is available and thus is crossed in my list). Not sure if this is complete, but from my recollection and comparison of current HD6-100c and H5D-50c. Please feel free to add other items:

Missing features:

o   User profiles
o   Over-/underexposure warning on sound
o   Overexposure warning (,,Blinkies")
o   Histogramm on grip display
o   Spirit level
o   No power over USB 3.0
o   Reading of lens shutter and camera count
o   Enter of personal and IPTC information
o   Image ratings
o   Wifi only ad hoc (no login to existing network)

Promised Features (by official H letter to H6D shipment dated October 20, 2016):
o   Storage management
o   Profiles
o   Grey balance exposure
o   Raw Video
o   3FR Raw files compression
o   Technical camera support (flash sync and E-Shutters)
o   Image import from a tethered camera (not sure what that means; tethered import is working fine)
o   CF Lens adapter


Juerg
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: DJPixelMan on December 06, 2016, 09:38:26 AM
I'' beginning to think "pipe-dreams". Maybe in the H7?
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: boinger on December 08, 2016, 04:24:43 PM
I have had my camera for 6 months, and have been unable to use it on a tech camera one of the sole reasons I bought it. I have been pretty patient with hasselblad they said they would add tech camera support by 4th quarter. But it doesn't look like it will ever be added in a reasonable time frame. Now I am also out of the return period from the original place I bought it from. And I am simply sitting with a dead weight. It is pretty ridiculous to ship a camera with advertised features but not implement them for 1 year or more if ever.
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: Buddy on January 09, 2017, 03:48:31 AM
my dealer tells me that these items (see my list above) will come with next firmware update within first quarter of 2017.
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: cerett on January 09, 2017, 06:32:49 AM
Quote from: Buddy on January 09, 2017, 03:48:31 AM
my dealer tells me that these items (see my list above) will come with next firmware update within first quarter of 2017.

When I see it, I'll believe it. The dealers and even the regional managers don't seem to be a good source of reliable information. I think Hasselblad's focus at the moment is trying to fill existing orders, particularly for the X1D. Judging from what I'm reading on other forums, the persistent delays and broken promises have a lot of people upset.
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: NickT on January 09, 2017, 08:42:11 AM
I will be talking to Sweden in the next couple of days and will definitely be raising these issues.
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: NickT on January 11, 2017, 09:28:51 AM
Hi guys
I have spoken to Sweden and raised the issue of the H6D firmware. As you can imagine these are busy times (in a good way) for Hasselblad but the focus needs to come back on H6D (firmware) and I am told this is definitely the case.

I should find out more in the next week or so around timings for the new firmware, thanks are due to you all for your patience!
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: DJPixelMan on January 11, 2017, 11:01:29 PM
Thanks Nick..appreciate you doing this.
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: Roger Méndez on January 11, 2017, 11:11:09 PM
Thanks Nik!!. Hope if they are updating the firmware it would be great to have power supply through USB 3.0. This is for me the mayor problem as I am using 3 or 4 batteries a day  :o.
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: bdp on January 11, 2017, 11:23:25 PM
Quote from: Roger Méndez on January 11, 2017, 11:11:09 PM
Thanks Nik!!. Hope if they are updating the firmware it would be great to have power supply through USB 3.0. This is for me the mayor problem as I am using 3 or 4 batteries a day  :o.

+1 !!

Thanks from me too Nick!

Ben
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: NickT on January 12, 2017, 07:59:40 AM
Yes I made it very clear that power over USB needs to be a priority!
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: Sergo on January 15, 2017, 01:21:33 AM
I am not able to import images through my tethered h6 100c. Did someone face the same problem and has solved it ?
Sergo
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: Sergo on January 15, 2017, 01:27:17 AM
I am not able to import images through my tethered h6 100c but I'm able to capture pictures with the camera tethered. Did someone face the same problem and has solved it ? Many thanks .
Sergo
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: Roger Méndez on January 17, 2017, 12:12:32 PM
No way to import the images form the camera. Had to buy a card reader. Really expensive by the way.
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: Dan on January 17, 2017, 12:31:54 PM
This is the one I use

seems to work very well.

It is very very fast.

Lexar  CR1 Professional Workflow CFast 2.0 USB 3.0 Reader

It was $34.95
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: Buddy on January 17, 2017, 10:26:01 PM
I use the same, works really well. I use it for Cfast, XQD, CF and SD cards. It has 4 four slots.
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: Roger Méndez on January 18, 2017, 08:50:45 AM
I bought Lexar CR2 with only one slot and cost me 110€.  :o :o
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: Buddy on January 18, 2017, 09:03:02 AM
here is a picture of the tower (ca. 15 cm height). The individual slots can be taken e.g. for take-away. All based on USB 3.0.

(https://www.hasselbladdigitalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fjvpictures.com%2Fshare%2FB15.JPG&hash=e728cfc595d1e05c488ae27ffed96ddeb3e98305)

(for some reasons ? it is upside down...iPhone!?)
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: Sergo on January 19, 2017, 07:21:38 PM
Thank you Roger . But I understand from other comments that impoting from the camera works.
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: Roger Méndez on January 20, 2017, 06:56:33 AM
Hi Sergo, When I shoot tethered, the images are downloaded to the computer and appears in Phocus, thats no problem. The problem is when you shoot without being tethered, there is no way to find the camera connected where normally appears the camera on Phocus and you can't find the card. Thats the problem I have now. By the way, the Lexar CR2 card reader I bought is with thunderbolt connection. That might be the reason of it's price.
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: ganesh on January 20, 2017, 08:53:21 AM
Off topic...
Some inspiration to console us while we wait ; )
... and proof, that in spite so many features still missing, something can be done with the H6D.
http://www.hasselblad.com/our-world/feature/peter-coulson-hasselblad-ambassador
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: danord on January 22, 2017, 07:24:47 AM
Great post. Hope Hasselblad is listening  :)
I don't shoot tethered right now but support for USB power supply and other firmware add-ons that would enable us to use the back on a tech cam would be great.
I have a couple of wishes not mentioned here before.

I would like support for back-up option on the 2.card, not just overflow option. This is very important.
I would like to have the spirit-level back in the handgrips assignable-buttons options (as it was on my H5D). I used to have the spirit-level on the AE-lock button. As of now the only way to see spirit level is going through the back-menu. The idea of spirit-level overlay in live-view is excellent, but I wish I also could do 100% focus check with this overlay.
Beeing able to select direct live-view access on one of the programmable hand-grip buttons would also be great!

danord
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: J_M on January 30, 2017, 10:20:04 PM
Please bring back the Tilt/Shift info on the grip (or anywhere!) when using the HTS. I use it all the time, untethered, and all I can do right now is guess.

J_M
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: xpixel on January 31, 2017, 06:58:27 AM
Just a question: Why has the H6D no Auto White Balance?
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: DJPixelMan on February 01, 2017, 12:50:12 AM
Well, it's been nearly 2 months since any H6 firmware upgrade..my rep said the WB measuring tool would be back in "soon", but I'm beginning to have severe doubts.
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: cerett on February 01, 2017, 04:29:21 AM
Hasselblad really stepped up to the plate this month in terms of delivering backorders for the 100c and X1D. I'm feeling confident that new firmware is coming very soon. Perhaps Nick T can elaborate further on this issue?
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: eyedear on February 07, 2017, 03:03:26 AM
its been a while so any updates on the features that are still missing on the h6d-100c
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: DJPixelMan on February 16, 2017, 05:58:51 AM
I see the "new baby" the X1D has just had another firmware update.
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: mkerouac on February 17, 2017, 09:11:47 AM
Quote from: DJPixelMan on February 16, 2017, 05:58:51 AM
I see the "new baby" the X1D has just had another firmware update.

The X1D was shipping with Demo firmware.  it desperately needed the update.  I'm pretty sure that the H6D firmware is up next and coming soon.  Just don't think it will make everyone happy.  As some of you may remember, it took well over a year for the H5 firmware to get most of the promised features.
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: cerett on February 17, 2017, 09:17:10 AM
Quote from: mkerouac on February 17, 2017, 09:11:47 AM
Quote from: DJPixelMan on February 16, 2017, 05:58:51 AM
I see the "new baby" the X1D has just had another firmware update.

The X1D was shipping with Demo firmware.  it desperately needed the update.  I'm pretty sure that the H6D firmware is up next and coming soon.  Just don't think it will make everyone happy.  As some of you may remember, it took well over a year for the H5 firmware to get most of the promised features.

I suspect and hope to see something very soon, something that was well worth the wait.
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: DJPixelMan on February 18, 2017, 10:00:36 PM
Quote from: mkerouac on February 17, 2017, 09:11:47 AM
Quote from: DJPixelMan on February 16, 2017, 05:58:51 AM
I see the "new baby" the X1D has just had another firmware update.

The X1D was shipping with Demo firmware.  it desperately needed the update.  I'm pretty sure that the H6D firmware is up next and coming soon.  Just don't think it will make everyone happy.  As some of you may remember, it took well over a year for the H5 firmware to get most of the promised features.

Maybe just stick with one model at a time then and get that up and running properly before bringing out a completely new system. These cameras aren't exactly budget range or cheap by any stretch of the imagination.
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: mkerouac on February 21, 2017, 08:44:01 AM
Quote from: DJPixelMan on February 18, 2017, 10:00:36 PM
Quote from: mkerouac on February 17, 2017, 09:11:47 AM
Quote from: DJPixelMan on February 16, 2017, 05:58:51 AM
I see the "new baby" the X1D has just had another firmware update.

The X1D was shipping with Demo firmware.  it desperately needed the update.  I'm pretty sure that the H6D firmware is up next and coming soon.  Just don't think it will make everyone happy.  As some of you may remember, it took well over a year for the H5 firmware to get most of the promised features.

Maybe just stick with one model at a time then and get that up and running properly before bringing out a completely new system. These cameras aren't exactly budget range or cheap by any stretch of the imagination.

As you know, this is nothing unusual or new.  The delivery delays were unusual, but Hasselblad shipping a functional camera without all the bells and whistles is pretty standard fare.  They give us a camera that works and then add additional features over time.  Both my X1D and my H6D worked out of the box, they just don't have all of the promised features.  I agree with you, that for the price we are paying, the camera's should be closer to spec, but I kind of got used to the process with the H5's, So I'm living with it on the X1D and the H6.
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: NickT on February 22, 2017, 08:21:56 AM
Quote from: DJPixelMan on February 18, 2017, 10:00:36 PM
Maybe just stick with one model at a time then and get that up and running properly before bringing out a completely new system. These cameras aren't exactly budget range or cheap by any stretch of the imagination.

I hear you but I think the X1D has really saved Hasselblad from an uncertain future (and attracted much needed investment from DJI) whereas making H6D owners happy wouldn't add much to the bottom line...

I think once the X1D dust settles we'll see a return to focus on the H6D.

BTW I'm not trying to make excuses, I think the delay in promised features is super annoying, just pointing out the commercial realities involved.
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: cerett on February 22, 2017, 11:02:16 AM
Thanks Nick. I would think that the H6D is their flagship camera. I hope it doesn't take too long.
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: boinger on February 23, 2017, 08:00:45 AM
I mean I don't mind waiting for additional features in terms of usability.

But things like basic level Technical camera support really should have been available on the camera at launch. I use a technical camera for my product photography, and I am currently unable to do so. I also turned in my old digital back because of the upgrade.
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: Sergo on February 24, 2017, 07:20:42 PM
Quote from: Roger Méndez on January 20, 2017, 06:56:33 AM
Hi Sergo, When I shoot tethered, the images are downloaded to the computer and appears in Phocus, thats no problem. The problem is when you shoot without being tethered, there is no way to find the camera connected where normally appears the camera on Phocus and you can't find the card. Thats the problem I have now. By the way, the Lexar CR2 card reader I bought is with thunderbolt connection. That might be the reason of it's price.

Hi Roger thank you for your answer , I do the same . Maybe you know from Sweden when they will fix the problem ?
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: Roger Méndez on March 03, 2017, 09:30:32 AM
Hi Sergo,

Really I have no idea. I heard that it was going to be arrange late autumn but as you can see there is no update now in march. Suppose we have to wait a bit more. Maybe Nick has more information, don't know.
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: cerett on March 03, 2017, 09:40:39 AM
Quote from: Roger Méndez on March 03, 2017, 09:30:32 AM
Hi Sergo,

Really I have no idea. I heard that it was going to be arrange late autumn but as you can see there is no update now in march. Suppose we have to wait a bit more. Maybe Nick has more information, don't know.
An earlier post said that a major firmware update would be coming in the first quarter of 2017. Must admit that I am getting somewhat impatient. I get the strong feeling that the company has devoted most of their time to the X1D. Frustrating.
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: NickT on March 03, 2017, 09:43:50 AM
I'm told we will see a firmware update in March, but I get the impression that it isn't going to fix everything only *some* things. :(
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: cerett on March 03, 2017, 10:40:07 AM
Thanks Nick; if true, that's a start.
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: bdp on March 03, 2017, 11:36:10 AM
The most pressing thing for pro studio shooters is power over USB when tethered. I'm really hoping this is in the next firmware update. Or a few free batteries for everyone.

Ben
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: DJPixelMan on March 04, 2017, 03:06:44 AM
Quote from: cerett on March 03, 2017, 09:40:39 AM
Quote from: Roger Méndez on March 03, 2017, 09:30:32 AM
Hi Sergo,

Really I have no idea. I heard that it was going to be arrange late autumn but as you can see there is no update now in march. Suppose we have to wait a bit more. Maybe Nick has more information, don't know.
An earlier post said that a major firmware update would be coming in the first quarter of 2017. Must admit that I am getting somewhat impatient. I get the strong feeling that the company has devoted most of their time to the X1D. Frustrating.

Like the rest of us, as they already have your money...what's the rush?  I am also a little miffed about this extended wait for features that were already in the H4. At this pathetic rate, my next MF upgrade probably won't be Hasselblad unfortunately.
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: NickT on March 04, 2017, 09:42:44 AM
I have been asking questions of Hasselblad as I think these delays are unacceptable and two new people have come back to me seeking more information on this issue, hopefully we will hear more next week. Stay tuned!
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: bdp on March 04, 2017, 12:10:57 PM
Hi Nick, thanks for your assistance with this. Do you mean two new people who work for Hasselblad? If so, that is encouraging that there are more or new people there who are listening and keen to fix these ongoing issues.

Ben
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: NickT on March 05, 2017, 10:47:59 AM
Hey Ben yes new people, there seem to be a few of them!
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: xmymo on March 17, 2017, 01:32:39 AM
Hasselblad just told me that a firmware update is coming in April and will solve every issue for the technical camera support.
Regards.
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: DJPixelMan on March 17, 2017, 02:57:28 AM
Hopefully. Our Hasselblad rep has variously told me January, February and then end of March for the update..but that it will not fix all issues. The wait continues.
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: cerett on March 17, 2017, 03:43:39 AM
As I have said in the past, I really think Hasselblad's focus has been on the XID. I am thrilled by the success of this new camera and what it means to Hasselblad's reputation and bottom line. However, as the owner of a H6D-100c, I am really disappointed by the delay in the much needed firmware upgrade. There are many missing items that need to be addressed. Also, Phocus needs to recognize the H6 so that the camera controls/functions can be changed in the software. If nothing comes in the next few weeks, I will be more than just upset by the situation. I hope Hasselblad is listening!
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: bdp on March 20, 2017, 10:45:09 PM
This just showed up on the Hasselblad website:

Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: xmymo on March 21, 2017, 01:39:40 AM
It makes no sense to release technical camera support without USB power support... is there any external power system from Hasselblad that I am missing? Very disapponted...
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: Dagmar_L on March 21, 2017, 02:53:32 AM
Hmm, and where is Live View from Phocus while tethered? With usable autofocus?
Title: Re: Promised and missing features of H6D firmware
Post by: xmymo on March 25, 2017, 03:10:59 AM
Hasselblad just told me that, on the release of the new firmware update in April, they will also communicate a solution for powering the back.