https://www.hasselblad.com/x-system/lenses/xcd-28p/
Just announced. 1899 Euro. ships within one day from hasselblad store.
Yes -- see https://youtu.be/C2ulf05s6T4
I think I am falling in love! For my photography it is too wide, but really looks so good!
happy to see a decline in price... i was a bit worried that all of them would be at least 4199 euro.. so it's good to see that still there will be a few 'less expensive' options.. this feels like a steal all of the sudden..
Well, always said that the 30 was too long for my wide angle use, but the size, weight, and price makes this worth a shot. Sometimes a few millimeters is enough.
Still wish there were a 24. Looks unlikely now.
Maybe they reserved the 24mm for a Tilt/Shift 8)
looking at the data sheet https://cdn.hasselblad.com/f/77891/x/13985f7b6e/xcd28p-datasheet-en.pdf
The 28mmP has fairly even MFT but it is less sharp at already f8. The most obvious design compromise is quite high distortion (like the xcd30mm but not the 38mmV). Of course they rely on correction via Phocus but I wonder how out of camera jpg would look like (same would be for the 30mm).
I like a lot the price, weight and size great for hiking and all day use. I not mind that it is only f 4.0 to generate a compact lens like the 45mmP.
I hope one does not have to wait for it as long as the 90mmV.
it's allready for sale on the site, ready to ship within 1 day after payment. so no 90 story here.
What i like is the minimum focus distance!
https://www.getdpi.com/forum/index.php?threads/hasselblad-xcd-28p.74993/#post-891201
Looks like flash sync up to 1/4000 is possible
XPAN replacement is now complete!!!
Exciting news! I will definitely get one as soon as it is available in Australia
I placed a deposit on the XCD 28mm lens this afternoon. I'm hoping several will soon make their way to Australia so that I can get my hands on one :-)
Quote from: Larsb on August 24, 2023, 11:08:19 AM
Exciting news! I will definitely get one as soon as it is available in Australia
I have spoken to D1 Store today. 1st batch of 28mm is two to three weeks. 90V is mid to late October. I do not know how many units they are getting but I actually got an order in for each.
pm me if you want my contact at D1 details. They're not listed in general stock but you can pre-order with payment now and they'll send you an invoice.
Gordon
My order has shipped from B&H. It'll be here on Saturday.
Joe
Same here! What a lovely surprise. I was expecting months...
Can only wonder if there are any other goodies in the pipeline that they are keeping secret.
Same here...shipping from B&H...should have it this weekend...
You guys are lucky. I'm still waiting to hear when we will get some in Australia. I will be keen to hear what you think of the lens
I ordered mine Wednesday, it's due to be delivered today 8)
Nobody is complaining that it is only a P lens iso V?
It's good to have variety from which to choose.
I wonder how the 28P compares optically with the XCD 30mm? It won't be long now before real world users make that comparison.
Quote from: MarkN on August 25, 2023, 11:25:32 PM
I wonder how the 28P compares optically with the XCD 30mm? It won't be long now before real world users make that comparison.
Based purely on the charts it will not be "as good" -- see https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4724889#forum-post-67211165
BUT I wait to see.
Quote from: Patrick M on August 25, 2023, 11:03:48 PM
Quote from: bcvthul on August 25, 2023, 10:21:53 PM
Nobody is complaining that it is only a P lens iso V?
The advantage is that is 1/3 price but still great quality.
And half the weight!
Quote from: Andy Miller Photo UK on August 25, 2023, 11:29:17 PM
Quote from: MarkN on August 25, 2023, 11:25:32 PM
I wonder how the 28P compares optically with the XCD 30mm? It won't be long now before real world users make that comparison.
Based purely on the charts it will not be "as good" -- see https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4724889#forum-post-67211165
BUT I wait to see.
You can go to the DPR link for the usual cast of characters falling all over themselves knocking Hasselblad and every product it makes, and anyone who has a contrary view. Or, you can go here for a balanced view of things: https://www.getdpi.com/forum/index.php?threads/hasselblad-xcd-28p.74993/
buy it or leave it! ;)
Quote from: hcubell on August 26, 2023, 01:03:16 AM
Quote from: Andy Miller Photo UK on August 25, 2023, 11:29:17 PM
Quote from: MarkN on August 25, 2023, 11:25:32 PM
I wonder how the 28P compares optically with the XCD 30mm? It won't be long now before real world users make that comparison.
Based purely on the charts it will not be "as good" -- see https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4724889#forum-post-67211165
BUT I wait to see.
You can go to the DPR link for the usual cast of characters falling all over themselves knocking Hasselblad and every product it makes, and anyone who has a contrary view.
No one on DPR has said anything negative about this lens, whereas your link is to a thread that includes speculation " What are the odds that they're releasing an optically poor lens ?"
The answer is until it is in one's hands one will not know.
I received mine yesterday. First early thoughts on the lens as an X1D II / XCD30 user are:
1. Super compact, light, well designed metal finish and perfect for the camera.
2. Image quality is very good but not XCD30 good (or 45P for that matter, which is surprising but it's early days)
3. Vignetting appears more pronounced although this can be corrected in post.
4. Faster focusing and super quiet shutter. This is the "wow" factor.
5. The extra 1/2 stop and larger optics of XCD30 mean it's not as versatile.
No regrets, it's a keeper. The form factor, price and mechanicals mean this will go everywhere once I figure out how to get the most from the lens - manual settings (only) appear to be the way to go, at least for now until the inevitable firmware update turns up to iron out some minor nits.
Quote from: Larsb on August 25, 2023, 02:51:22 PM
You guys are lucky. I'm still waiting to hear when we will get some in Australia. I will be keen to hear what you think of the lens
Do you know the price yet in AUD?
Got mine this morning. Ordered yesterday pm. Thanks to the usual fabulous service from FotoMarlin people in Basel Switzerland.
Sadly I have non-negotiable garden duties to complete before The Management allows me to unpack it 8)
Quote from: PaulMcB on August 26, 2023, 10:10:17 PM
I received mine yesterday. First early thoughts on the lens as an X1D II / XCD30 user are:
1. Super compact, light, well designed metal finish and perfect for the camera.
2. Image quality is very good but not XCD30 good (or 45P for that matter, which is surprising but it's early days)
3. Vignetting appears more pronounced although this can be corrected in post.
4. Faster focusing and super quiet shutter. This is the "wow" factor.
5. The extra 1/2 stop and larger optics of XCD30 mean it's not as versatile.
No regrets, it's a keeper. The form factor, price and mechanicals mean this will go everywhere once I figure out how to get the most from the lens - manual settings (only) appear to be the way to go, at least for now until the inevitable firmware update turns up to iron out some minor nits.
Thank you for your impressions. The XCD 28 that I carry with me is a better lens than the XCD 30 that I leave at home. Mine arrives Wednesday. :)
Quote from: PaulMcB on August 26, 2023, 10:10:17 PM
I received mine yesterday. First early thoughts on the lens as an X1D II / XCD30 user are:
1. Super compact, light, well designed metal finish and perfect for the camera.
2. Image quality is very good but not XCD30 good (or 45P for that matter, which is surprising but it's early days)
3. Vignetting appears more pronounced although this can be corrected in post.
4. Faster focusing and super quiet shutter. This is the "wow" factor.
5. The extra 1/2 stop and larger optics of XCD30 mean it's not as versatile.
No regrets, it's a keeper. The form factor, price and mechanicals mean this will go everywhere once I figure out how to get the most from the lens - manual settings (only) appear to be the way to go, at least for now until the inevitable firmware update turns up to iron out some minor nits.
Thanks, Paul. I received mine this morning from B&H. I don't have the XCD 30mm (although I've owned at least two of them before) so I won't be making comparisons to that lens. For me, if the stopped down IQ for landscape and travel photography is in the "good enough" zone, I'm satisfied.
Joe
Well I've just tried mine out (on X1DII) and it's very impressive. Autofocus is fast and precise as any of the other XCD lenses I have, and it is unbelievably quiet (I've never seen or used a V lens, maybe those are equally quiet). Close focus ability will make it very versatile. Build quality seems really excellent, and on a more trivial side, the packaging and presentation is easily the equal of the earlier XCD lenses. It really feels like a luxury product.
Now to see if it can challenge my Ricoh GR3 for camera bag space.
...and the image quality? You never mentioned that! :)
Quote from: Orokaj on August 26, 2023, 10:24:24 PM
Quote from: Larsb on August 25, 2023, 02:51:22 PM
You guys are lucky. I'm still waiting to hear when we will get some in Australia. I will be keen to hear what you think of the lens
Do you know the price yet in AUD?
I paid AUD2920.00. Delivery in about two weeks.
Gordon
Quote from: flash on August 27, 2023, 09:00:19 AM
Quote from: Orokaj on August 26, 2023, 10:24:24 PM
Quote from: Larsb on August 25, 2023, 02:51:22 PM
You guys are lucky. I'm still waiting to hear when we will get some in Australia. I will be keen to hear what you think of the lens
Do you know the price yet in AUD?
I paid AUD2920.00. Delivery in about two weeks.
Gordon
Ah I see, thanks Gordon,
Unfortunately our shops here have no connections with D1( yet ) so we are in the dark...
Have scored on from US though for about the same
ordered it on the 24th form HB and got it this afternoon. Very silent shutter almost one doesn't now if one pressed the shutter release. Have to play with it more!
Just received my 28P today...mounted it to the X2D and wow...super impressed, fast focus and appears to be tack sharp...only took a couple pics inside my studio...will try to shoot some test shots later today/tomorrow. Also mounted in my 907x and also impressed...
First negative, I miss the manual focus ring on the lens like the 38v and 55v but...it is a viable tradeoff given the price.
Anyways...more to come...
Quote from: Orokaj on August 27, 2023, 01:05:08 PM
Quote from: flash on August 27, 2023, 09:00:19 AM
Quote from: Orokaj on August 26, 2023, 10:24:24 PM
Quote from: Larsb on August 25, 2023, 02:51:22 PM
You guys are lucky. I'm still waiting to hear when we will get some in Australia. I will be keen to hear what you think of the lens
Do you know the price yet in AUD?
I paid AUD2920.00. Delivery in about two weeks.
Gordon
Ah I see, thanks Gordon,
Unfortunately our shops here have no connections with D1( yet ) so we are in the dark...
Have scored on from US though for about the same
You'll get yours faster than I will. I did order from the US but cancelled as I want to build a relationship with D1 here. Hopefully I'll get it before I leave for Mongolia next month.
If you want a contact at D1 directly, let me know.
Gordon
Quote from: Orokaj on August 26, 2023, 10:24:24 PM
Quote from: Larsb on August 25, 2023, 02:51:22 PM
You guys are lucky. I'm still waiting to hear when we will get some in Australia. I will be keen to hear what you think of the lens
Do you know the price yet in AUD?
I put a deposit on one with CameraPro - the price is $2910. I'm still waiting to hear when it will be available
Lars
woo hoo - maybe some sweet used prices on 21mm coming soon
Quote from: morgangold on August 28, 2023, 04:57:12 PM
woo hoo - maybe some sweet used prices on 21mm coming soon
I am holding on my 21 mm even though I will receive the new 28 mm tomorrow. I would think the used price for the 30 mm may go down because people want to sell their 30 mm and buy the new 28 mm which is less expensive, lighter, more portable and hopefully similar/better performance like the other xcd lenses.
I do not think the XCD 28P is a replacement for the XCD 30. The 28P is a lot more compact, lighter and without doubt a fine lens. Nevertheless the (twice as expensive) XCD 30 is the more optically advanced lens.
Personally I decided to buy the XCD 30 yesterday and not the 28P.
I would not describe the XCD 30 more optical advanced than the 28P. The 28P has only a very small internal focusing lens unit making it faster and quiet. The 30mm is better corrected, the 28P makes design compromises to be very compact, light, quiet with fast focus and exposure time. I am not sure if the differences in resolution are noticeable except pixel peeping
,,... the 28P makes design compromises..." - that's exactly what I meant. The XCD 30 is certainly one of the best wide angles in this focal range ever made. I assume to build something at half the size, weight and price but the same quality optically is not feasible.
I just received my new 28P lens today and tried it out to compare with the 45/3.5 and 21 mm lenses. The picture quality is quite consistent with the regular xcd lenses and the there is almost no shutter noise. I will carry the 28P lens instead of my 21 mm when I travel from now on. I wish that HB's next new P lens is a zoom lens similar to the regular 35-75 xcd which is expensive, bulky, and heavy when carrying it during travel.
a zoom (even a 'p' zoom) is going to be big with medium format... so that's something i definitely wouldn't buy... if you look at the zooms from the GFX100 it's just way too bulky.
I'd buy a wide XCD zoom in a heartbeat. The 35-75 may be big but it's also stunning. A true bag of primes.
Gordon
Quote from: flash on August 29, 2023, 07:53:20 PM
I'd buy a wide XCD zoom in a heartbeat. The 35-75 may be big but it's also stunning. A true bag of primes.
Gordon
So true. My XCD 35-75 zoom virtually stays glued to my X2D. It's heavy, no doubt, but still lighter than my 45, 65 and 90. And, I never have to deal with the issues of cleaning my sensor if I change lenses under less than ideal weather conditions, which I often photograph in.
I saw a rumor that Hasselblad was working on the release of 20-35mm zoom.
Quote from: hcubell on August 30, 2023, 06:03:33 AM
Quote from: flash on August 29, 2023, 07:53:20 PM
I'd buy a wide XCD zoom in a heartbeat. The 35-75 may be big but it's also stunning. A true bag of primes.
Gordon
So true. My XCD 35-75 zoom virtually stays glued to my X2D. It's heavy, no doubt, but still lighter than my 45, 65 and 90. And, I never have to deal with the issues of cleaning my sensor if I change lenses under less than ideal weather conditions, which I often photograph in.
I saw a rumor that Hasselblad was working on the release of 20-35mm zoom.
I'd be first in line for a 20-35.
same here for a WA zoom, and a V version of the 120 Macro ..
As we are expressing our interest in new lenses in this thread, and I agree with almost everything. What about new telephoto lenses extending past the current 135mm? Maybe even compatible with the existing 1.7X converter? I would love to see new 210mm, 300mm.
Here is a closed up shot with my newly received 28 P lens:
Quote from: outside_late on August 31, 2023, 07:02:02 AM
As we are expressing our interest in new lenses in this thread, and I agree with almost everything. What about new telephoto lenses extending past the current 135mm? Maybe even compatible with the existing 1.7X converter? I would love to see new 210mm, 300mm.
Since the 135mm (like the 21mm) is no longer listed in the Hasselblad Online Store, I would also be interested to know what kind of lens follows it.
Quote from: Ralf on August 31, 2023, 10:16:23 PM
Since the 135mm (like the 21mm) is no longer listed in the Hasselblad Online Store, I would also be interested to know what kind of lens follows it.
I just purchased an XCD 135mm + 1.7x TC from the Hasselblad Online Store. It'll be here next Tuesday.
Joe
Quote from: Ralf on August 31, 2023, 10:16:23 PM
Quote from: outside_late on August 31, 2023, 07:02:02 AM
As we are expressing our interest in new lenses in this thread, and I agree with almost everything. What about new telephoto lenses extending past the current 135mm? Maybe even compatible with the existing 1.7X converter? I would love to see new 210mm, 300mm.
Since the 135mm (like the 21mm) is no longer listed in the Hasselblad Online Store, I would also be interested to know what kind of lens follows it.
What country are you in Ralf? I see the 135 in both the US and EU Haselblad Online stores
Quote from: outside_late on September 01, 2023, 11:19:36 AM
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What country are you in Ralf? I see the 135 in both the US and EU Haselblad Online stores
I'm in Germany, I can see all the lenses in the presentation on the website, but the 135mm and the 21mm are no longer listed in the store: https://store-eu.hasselblad.com/de/collections/x-v-system- lenses . Since I somehow believe (no, I have no proof of it) that Hasselblad will bring something new in the 135mm range sometime in the near future (V?, P?), I also want to wait and see and not buy the well-known 135 at the moment. With the 21, 38 and 80 I'm actually quite well positioned.
https://store-eu.hasselblad.com/products/xcd-2-8-135
Shipment within 1 day. It seems as if the Hasselblad website is in a messy state.
Talking about optics, I wonder if we will ever see:
-a tilt shift adapter for H lenses
-a tele zoom 100-280 mm
-a more intelligent adapter allowing also older H lenses to be used with AF function.
Quote from: Thyl on September 01, 2023, 06:51:54 PM
Talking about optics, I wonder if we will ever see:
-a tilt shift adapter for H lenses
The HTS is precisely that and I have one, a bunch of H lenses and . What you probably meant to say was XCD lenses.
Quote from: Thyl on September 01, 2023, 06:51:54 PM
-a tele zoom 100-280 mm
Not before we get AF-C (continuous auto focus) -- I have the HC 4.5/300 and while it is greatly improved with the X2D over the X1D/X1Dii - it really needs to include in lens stabilisation as well, but the biggest issue after weight (it is a monster) is the fact that without AF-C one is challenged to keep moving (even relatively slow moving) subjects in focus.
Quote from: Thyl on September 01, 2023, 06:51:54 PM
-a more intelligent adapter allowing also older H lenses to be used with AF function.
The adapters are fine - if you want them to AF you just need HC/HCD lenses that can accept the autofocus commands from the camera and this means the right hardware in the lenses and firmware 18 (or 19.1).
Almost any previous lens can be mounted with existing adapters on the X2D - but only a few can be shot with AF or electronic data pass through and this means that leaf shutters in older and non-H lenses cannot be used.
So when you say intelligent - when the adapter is simply a hollow tube with electrical connections at each end - what precisely are you seeking?
Looks like the 28p is now back in stock at some UK distributors at least. I'm told that after this batch has sold out there won't be more available until March 2024. I have no idea how accurate this date is but with Hasselblad being Hasselblad... I wouldn't be surprised.
Quote from: wild-light-xpan on September 02, 2023, 02:23:11 AM
Looks like the 28p is now back in stock at some UK distributors at least. I'm told that after this batch has sold out there won't be more available until March 2024. I have no idea how accurate this date is but with Hasselblad being Hasselblad... I wouldn't be surprised.
I am still waiting for mine to be delivered.
Ordered mine from Robert White and they said today that it should be delivered early next week.
was lucky to get mine, I like it a lot, perfect for urban environments - I traded in my 30 which I loved but did not use that much anymore for landscape since I got the 35-75
I ordered mine from the Hasselblad Store within 5 minutes of the announcement, got it Tuesday. I tend to favor not so wide lenses for landscape work, love my 45P, XCD65, 100 CFI and 180 CFI for this work so I was in no hurry to get the 30mm.
I did get a good, well centered copy and it is plenty sharp for the X2D. Overall, I am very happy with this lens as it takes up very little room in the bag and weighs next to nothing. I did order regular plastic front and rear caps for it though, the ones that came with it add 65grams and are a bit fiddly with gloves.
Does anyone know when the 28/P will be available in Australia? I placed a deposit on one here, but still no word on timing from the shop I went thru
Quote from: Larsb on September 02, 2023, 11:48:01 AM
Does anyone know when the 28/P will be available in Australia? I placed a deposit on one here, but still no word on timing from the shop I went thru
According to D1, around the 10th of Sept (ish) is when the first batch lands. I'm hoping to have before I fly out on the 14th but I think it's unlikely. Probably should have kept that B&H order......
I'll shoot my contact an email during the week to see if there's a more definitative time/date.
Gordon
Camera West seems to have XCD 28mm in stock.
I was surprised how B&H was able to deliver the lens so early.
I got the XCD28P when delivery started in Japan. It is a very compact lens and the AF speed is adequate :).
I have only taken a few shots, but so far I have not noticed any suspicious light when backlit without the hood.
In the near future I will add a page for XCD28mm.
https://shige-art.net/en/category/photo/hasselblad/
got my 28p today, very fast focus acquisition with little to none hunt.
Lens is short and compact, to further reduce the weight, one can buy an after market lens cap =D
Quote from: Andy Miller Photo UK on September 01, 2023, 09:33:37 PM
Quote from: Thyl on September 01, 2023, 06:51:54 PM
Talking about optics, I wonder if we will ever see:
-a tilt shift adapter for H lenses
The HTS is precisely that and I have one, a bunch of H lenses and . What you probably meant to say was XCD lenses.
Quote from: Thyl on September 01, 2023, 06:51:54 PM
-a tele zoom 100-280 mm
Not before we get AF-C (continuous auto focus) -- I have the HC 4.5/300 and while it is greatly improved with the X2D over the X1D/X1Dii - it really needs to include in lens stabilisation as well, but the biggest issue after weight (it is a monster) is the fact that without AF-C one is challenged to keep moving (even relatively slow moving) subjects in focus.
Quote from: Thyl on September 01, 2023, 06:51:54 PM
-a more intelligent adapter allowing also older H lenses to be used with AF function.
The adapters are fine - if you want them to AF you just need HC/HCD lenses that can accept the autofocus commands from the camera and this means the right hardware in the lenses and firmware 18 (or 19.1).
Almost any previous lens can be mounted with existing adapters on the X2D - but only a few can be shot with AF or electronic data pass through and this means that leaf shutters in older and non-H lenses cannot be used.
So when you say intelligent - when the adapter is simply a hollow tube with electrical connections at each end - what precisely are you seeking?
Not sure how to use the quoting system here, so I append this on the end:
-The HTS adapter is not what I was talking about, since it inevitably is also a tele converter, and it does not attach to X cameras (so, 2 adapters needed). I am talking about an adapter without any expensive optics in it, with a mount for H lenses on the front end, and a mount for X bodies on the rear end.
-tele zoom: yeah, probably right, though I note that there was a time when such lenses were built without any autofocus in them, and still people were able to use them.
-better HX adapter: "just need" is exactly the problem. The new electronics with the larger firmware memory have been introduced in 2016, so all lenses built prior to that, i.e. from 2002 to 2016, have no AF functionality, despite the fact that they are AF lenses. Which probably means like 90-95 percent of all H lenses have no AF function on X system cameras. I suggest an adapter that translates the X AF commands into a format that the older H lenses understand and will execute. The existing adapter apparently (see it's price) is merely an electrical pass through, so that the "intelligence" has to be added to the lenses. Why Hasselblad favoured this approach, I don't know. And I also don't know why nobody questioned this decision.
Back in stock on the Hasselblad store as of this morning, it seems.
Hi all - I just heard mine has dispatched
Mine arrived from Parks today and all is good.
"TINY LENS" - looks great to me out of the box and works great on the X2D-100C (FW 2.0.1) after upgrading firmware from v1.4.0 to v1.4.1
Just time to take a few quick shots to test all is good. 1st shot wide open, 2nd for a few feet with a speedlight.
Hopefully I will have time to use this tomorrow on a short walk in early morning light.
For the avoidance of doubt -- no quality issues at all - the lens is entirely as expected -- a very nice piece of well crafted glass in a nice housing. Nice leather pouch as well. Same XCD box and packing as all the other XCD lenses I own.
I do not know who is spreading lousy rumours about the quality of this lens or the other two new lenses -- well idiots I own them all and they are all great. How about you get hold of them and actually use them before laying down trash talk.
I have placed more photos here: https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjATGVY (downsampled) and https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjATPqS (full sized)
I heard from CameraPro (store in Australia) that the 28P will be available in Australia by the 3rd week of September. A bit of a longer wait for Australian customers, but very much looking forward to getting one.
Cheers,
Lars.
Each lens model is different has another rendering, XCD's are very close but they have differences for example for far and close subjects, in harsh light etc.
Each photographer can be able to prefer one rendering over another and some others can prefer the opposite, this doesn't mean that one of them is wrong.
I own the two 45mm, I prefer the rendering of the older, but keep the 45P when compactness is needed and when I am not searching for the balanced micro-sharpness of the older 45.
I've just tried mine and WOW, I really Am very impressed with everything about this lens. The build, the weight, and most importantly the image quality. It is very sharp across the board. Very impressive all round.
More of this please Hasselblad!
Quote from: wild-light-xpan on September 07, 2023, 07:38:53 AM
I've just tried mine and WOW, I really Am very impressed with everything about this lens. The build, the weight, and most importantly the image quality. It is very sharp across the board. Very impressive all round.
More of this please Hasselblad!
Hi,
It seems working quite well with an X2D, or with an X1D/907X once developed using the last version of Phocus, able to correct a possible magenta cast.
Which camera and software did you use ?
Thanks
Quote from: tenmangu81 on September 07, 2023, 08:24:17 PMable to correct a possible magenta cast
What magenta cast -- I own this lens and have used it with my X2D - there is NO colour cast.
Quote from: Andy Miller Photo UK on September 08, 2023, 12:17:54 AM
Quote from: tenmangu81 on September 07, 2023, 08:24:17 PMable to correct a possible magenta cast
What magenta cast -- I own this lens and have used it with my X2D - there is NO colour cast.
Some people observed and reported it on the GetDPI forum. There are pictures posted showing it. It seems however that the last version of Phocus allows to correct it, if any.
Quote from: tenmangu81 on September 08, 2023, 04:40:06 AM
Quote from: Andy Miller Photo UK on September 08, 2023, 12:17:54 AM
Quote from: tenmangu81 on September 07, 2023, 08:24:17 PMable to correct a possible magenta cast
What magenta cast -- I own this lens and have used it with my X2D - there is NO colour cast.
Some people observed and reported it on the GetDPI forum. There are pictures posted showing it. It seems however that the last version of Phocus allows to correct it, if any.
The reported cast came not from the lens, but from a Phocus software bug
Quote from: tenmangu81 on September 07, 2023, 08:24:17 PM
Quote from: wild-light-xpan on September 07, 2023, 07:38:53 AM
I've just tried mine and WOW, I really Am very impressed with everything about this lens. The build, the weight, and most importantly the image quality. It is very sharp across the board. Very impressive all round.
More of this please Hasselblad!
Hi,
It seems working quite well with an X2D, or with an X1D/907X once developed using the last version of Phocus, able to correct a possible magenta cast.
Which camera and software did you use ?
Thanks
You cannot place X1D and 907X on the same level
The 907X belongs to to the X1DII in what is system compatibility
The X1D has no more firmware updates and is not compatible with some XCD V type lenses functions
The X1DII and 907X were recently updated and are compatible
Quote from: JCM-Photos on September 08, 2023, 04:44:41 AM
Quote from: tenmangu81 on September 08, 2023, 04:40:06 AM
Quote from: Andy Miller Photo UK on September 08, 2023, 12:17:54 AM
Quote from: tenmangu81 on September 07, 2023, 08:24:17 PMable to correct a possible magenta cast
What magenta cast -- I own this lens and have used it with my X2D - there is NO colour cast.
Some people observed and reported it on the GetDPI forum. There are pictures posted showing it. It seems however that the last version of Phocus allows to correct it, if any.
The reported cast came not from the lens, but from a Phocus software bug
That is incorrect. It is showing on jpegs out of camera so it is an issue that needs to be resolved with either a FW update in the lens, the camera or both.
Quote from: JCM-Photos on September 08, 2023, 04:44:41 AM
Quote from: tenmangu81 on September 08, 2023, 04:40:06 AM
Quote from: Andy Miller Photo UK on September 08, 2023, 12:17:54 AM
Quote from: tenmangu81 on September 07, 2023, 08:24:17 PMable to correct a possible magenta cast
What magenta cast -- I own this lens and have used it with my X2D - there is NO colour cast.
Some people observed and reported it on the GetDPI forum. There are pictures posted showing it. It seems however that the last version of Phocus allows to correct it, if any.
The reported cast came not from the lens, but from a Phocus software bug
Could be.
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The X1D has no more firmware updates and is not compatible with some XCD V type lenses functions
The X1DII and 907X were recently updated and are compatible
That is incorrect. It is showing on jpegs out of camera so it is an issue that needs to be resolved with either a FW update in the lens, the camera or both.
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Can anyone else confirm that HB has abandoned any X1D firmware updates after they announced the X1DII and 907X bodies？ If that was true, pretty soon HB might do the same for other X cameras once they announce any newer camera bodies in the future, and leave all those with older models emptied handed？
Quote from: Iceman1331 on September 08, 2023, 11:56:54 AM
The X1D has no more firmware updates and is not compatible with some XCD V type lenses functions
The X1DII and 907X were recently updated and are compatible
That is incorrect. It is showing on jpegs out of camera so it is an issue that needs to be resolved with either a FW update in the lens, the camera or both.
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Can anyone else confirm that HB has abandoned any X1D firmware updates after they announced the X1DII and 907X bodies？ If that was true, pretty soon HB might do the same for other X cameras once they announce any newer camera bodies in the future, and leave all those with older models emptied handed？
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If it works, why do you need an update?
Quote from: 6X6Miles on September 08, 2023, 06:41:02 AM
Quote from: JCM-Photos on September 08, 2023, 04:44:41 AM
Quote from: tenmangu81 on September 08, 2023, 04:40:06 AM
Quote from: Andy Miller Photo UK on September 08, 2023, 12:17:54 AM
Quote from: tenmangu81 on September 07, 2023, 08:24:17 PMable to correct a possible magenta cast
What magenta cast -- I own this lens and have used it with my X2D - there is NO colour cast.
Some people observed and reported it on the GetDPI forum. There are pictures posted showing it. It seems however that the last version of Phocus allows to correct it, if any.
The reported cast came not from the lens, but from a Phocus software bug
That is incorrect. It is showing on jpegs out of camera so it is an issue that needs to be resolved with either a FW update in the lens, the camera or both.
Agreed, this needs a body firmware update for the 50 mpx sensor models. The lens is probably under-corrected with non-BSI sensors.
People familiar with wide angle lenses used on tech cam with ccd or non-bsi cmos sensors know this effect and its workaround well (LCC, scene calibration, flat field correction tools).
I guess HB will promptly deliver a fix.
Quote from: fh29 on September 08, 2023, 08:25:55 PM
Quote from: 6X6Miles on September 08, 2023, 06:41:02 AM
Quote from: JCM-Photos on September 08, 2023, 04:44:41 AM
Quote from: tenmangu81 on September 08, 2023, 04:40:06 AM
Quote from: Andy Miller Photo UK on September 08, 2023, 12:17:54 AM
Quote from: tenmangu81 on September 07, 2023, 08:24:17 PMable to correct a possible magenta cast
What magenta cast -- I own this lens and have used it with my X2D - there is NO colour cast.
Some people observed and reported it on the GetDPI forum. There are pictures posted showing it. It seems however that the last version of Phocus allows to correct it, if any.
The reported cast came not from the lens, but from a Phocus software bug
That is incorrect. It is showing on jpegs out of camera so it is an issue that needs to be resolved with either a FW update in the lens, the camera or both.
Agreed, this needs a body firmware update for the 50 mpx sensor models. The lens is probably under-corrected with non-BSI sensors.
People familiar with wide angle lenses used on tech cam with ccd or non-bsi cmos sensors know this effect and its workaround well (LCC, scene calibration, flat field correction tools).
I guess HB will promptly deliver a fix.
I generally only shoot RAW but this time saved RAW and JPG -- several issues:
-- JPG in camera lens distortion/vignetting corrections seemed poor - this is with the latest FW in both X2D and Lens. I attach an example of the manual distortion and vignetting correction needed in LRC to "square up" the image". Obviously Phocus does not allow Lens Corrections to be applied to JPG images.
-- there were noticeable slight differences in the colour results when comparing JPG, TIFF (from Phocus), DXO Pure Raw 3 raw conversions and LRC -- using a HC 4/28 as as the source of Lens Corrections in the last 2 cases). But no significant colour cast in any of them.
Super solid analysis here. This was my day 1 'feel'. For those using the 45P on the X1D Mk II - is your experience with this lens that it frames images a lot 'cleaner' (I.e. with less vignetting) than the 28P through the LCD or LiveView - as well as with the final image?
A "full set" of test shots of a test target 520mm / ~20" from the sensor with the XCD 4/28P from at various apertures and with various processing treatments.
https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAVQMo
Note - JPG, RAW and fully processed in LRC not Phocus - fully processed used DxO PureRaw 3 AND also JPG from Phocus with same WB adjustment and tiny keystone correction.
All have tiny white balance and exposure correction to land the 20% gray patch to be ~R 80:G 80:B 80 (give or take) and tiny auto transform/keystone corrections applied to address tiny miss alignment by me.
Phocus 3.7.5 for mac applied adaptive lens corrections, which did address minor barrel distortion.
The of the in-camera JPG shot at f/4, which shows colour/brightness values of R 68.4, G 68.1, B 71.3 near the bottom right corner.
Quote from: Andy Miller Photo UK on September 25, 2023, 01:30:47 AM
Phocus 3.7.5 for mac - does not list it supports the XCD 4/28P (does not have a profile for the XCD 4/28P) yet but I chose to let Phocus apply adaptive lens corrections, which did address minor barrel distortion.
Yes, it supports the XCD 4/28P. Just scroll down in the Readme file to the 3rd page:
Quote from: stephanbruehl on September 25, 2023, 11:49:39 PM
Quote from: Andy Miller Photo UK on September 25, 2023, 01:30:47 AM
Phocus 3.7.5 for mac - does not list it supports the XCD 4/28P (does not have a profile for the XCD 4/28P) yet but I chose to let Phocus apply adaptive lens corrections, which did address minor barrel distortion.
Yes, it supports the XCD 4/28P. Just scroll down in the Readme file to the 3rd page:
Noted — that will teach me to just read the headlines and it explains why the images from Phocus look good edge to edge
Quote from: Andy Miller Photo UK on September 25, 2023, 01:30:47 AM
Phocus 3.7.5 for mac applied adaptive lens corrections, which did address minor barrel distortion.
If you're still in the mood for more reading, there is only one lens correction which has an Adaptive option which is Chromatic Aberration. You can find more detailed information regarding the Chromatic Aberration options on Page 57 of the current Phocus User Guide.
Quote from: Andy Miller Photo UK on September 25, 2023, 01:30:47 AM
The of the in-camera JPG shot at f/4, which shows colour/brightness values of R 68.4, G 68.1, B 71.3 near the bottom right corner.
Please note there are no lens corrections with Hasselblad in-camera JPG images. Lens corrections are applied to Hasselblad image files in editing software.
Quote from: Andy Miller Photo UK on September 09, 2023, 03:53:16 AM
Quote from: fh29 on September 08, 2023, 08:25:55 PM
Quote from: 6X6Miles on September 08, 2023, 06:41:02 AM
Quote from: JCM-Photos on September 08, 2023, 04:44:41 AM
Quote from: tenmangu81 on September 08, 2023, 04:40:06 AM
Quote from: Andy Miller Photo UK on September 08, 2023, 12:17:54 AM
Quote from: tenmangu81 on September 07, 2023, 08:24:17 PMable to correct a possible magenta cast
What magenta cast -- I own this lens and have used it with my X2D - there is NO colour cast.
Some people observed and reported it on the GetDPI forum. There are pictures posted showing it. It seems however that the last version of Phocus allows to correct it, if any.
The reported cast came not from the lens, but from a Phocus software bug
That is incorrect. It is showing on jpegs out of camera so it is an issue that needs to be resolved with either a FW update in the lens, the camera or both.
Agreed, this needs a body firmware update for the 50 mpx sensor models. The lens is probably under-corrected with non-BSI sensors.
People familiar with wide angle lenses used on tech cam with ccd or non-bsi cmos sensors know this effect and its workaround well (LCC, scene calibration, flat field correction tools).
I guess HB will promptly deliver a fix.
I generally only shoot RAW but this time saved RAW and JPG -- several issues:
-- JPG in camera lens distortion/vignetting corrections seemed poor - this is with the latest FW in both X2D and Lens. I attach an example of the manual distortion and vignetting correction needed in LRC to "square up" the image". Obviously Phocus does not allow Lens Corrections to be applied to JPG images.
As mentioned in the post above...
there are no lens corrections with Hasselblad in-camera JPG images. Lens corrections are only applied to Hasselblad raw image files when imported into editing software.
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-- there were noticeable slight differences in the colour results when comparing JPG, TIFF (from Phocus), DXO Pure Raw 3 raw conversions and LRC -- using a HC 4/28 as as the source of Lens Corrections in the last 2 cases). But no significant colour cast in any of them.
The only thing the XCD 28P lens and HCD 28mm lens designs have in common is a nominal focal length. Everything else regarding the two lens designs is different. You may get better results with no lens profile than from applying the wrong lens profile.
Hi Australian Hasselbladers, has anyone either heard when the XCD 28 P will be available in Australia or have you actually got one? I heard from a store here that it would be available in the 3rd week of September, but it was a no-show.
thanks,
Lars
Quote from: Larsb on September 26, 2023, 12:48:54 PM
Hi Australian Hasselbladers, has anyone either heard when the XCD 28 P will be available in Australia or have you actually got one? I heard from a store here that it would be available in the 3rd week of September, but it was a no-show.
thanks,
Lars
I received a serial number and shipping number yesterday from D1 Stores. I'm OS at the moment but expect it will be waiting at home for me in a day or two. I was no. 1 on the wait list in Oz.
Gordon
You are lucky Gordon, hope you enjoy it when your receive it. I placed an order via another store on the day of the announcement, but it keeps getting delayed again. Did you go directly to the D1 store to place the order in person? I keep checking their website but there is never any mention of them being an Australian distributor of Hasselblad and I can't find any links to Hasselblad on their site.
thanks,
Lars
Quote from: Larsb on September 26, 2023, 07:10:53 PM
You are lucky Gordon, hope you enjoy it when your receive it. I placed an order via another store on the day of the announcement, but it keeps getting delayed again. Did you go directly to the D1 store to place the order in person? I keep checking their website but there is never any mention of them being an Australian distributor of Hasselblad and I can't find any links to Hasselblad on their site.
thanks,
Lars
I have a direct contact. Happy to share details if you want. I also have my first in line order in for the 90mm direct from them.
And yes, they need to sort out the website stuff ASAP.
Gordon
Quote from: flash on September 26, 2023, 08:25:47 PM
Quote from: Larsb on September 26, 2023, 07:10:53 PM
You are lucky Gordon, hope you enjoy it when your receive it. I placed an order via another store on the day of the announcement, but it keeps getting delayed again. Did you go directly to the D1 store to place the order in person? I keep checking their website but there is never any mention of them being an Australian distributor of Hasselblad and I can't find any links to Hasselblad on their site.
thanks,
Lars
I have a direct contact. Happy to share details if you want. I also have my first in line order in for the 90mm direct from them.
And yes, they need to sort out the website stuff ASAP.
Gordon
Thanks Gordon. I'm off to Adelaide for a few days early next month and I am still holding out hope that the 28mm lens will come thru before then, but the timing is getting a little bit tight now.
cheers,
Lars
It looks like my XCD 28mm P and a spare battery should be delivered to me tomorrow, so looking forward to trying it out "in the field" next week