I had the opportunity to visit Fotodiox HQ, and test out a vast number of adapted lenses on the X1D. I am not affiliated with Fotodiox, we were just collectively curious about how well the new adapters would work. I made a profile on this forum just to share this with everyone, so I am likely not a familiar face.
The sweet spot in terms of focal length is 50-90mm. Long lenses experience abnormal minimum focusing distances all around, and wide ones vignette like crazy The leica R, and Minolta (MD) lenses tested the best over all (for the 35mm lenses). The leica R 90mm f2.8 is absolute perfection. It is as sharp as the HC 80mm, and XCD 90mm lenses. That lens is truly breathtaking, I can not speak more highly of it.
I tried to get down the lens information the best I could, I am sorry if there are inaccuracies. Also be aware that some of these require multiple adapters to function. In addition to this I will try to attach a portrait with the Minolta 50mm 1.7 (if I can figure that out).
-Hasselblad 80mm f2.8 - Perfectly Sharp, And perfect corners.
-Hasselblad 50mm f4 - Perfectly Sharp, And perfect corners.
-Leica R 90mm f2.8 - Perfectly Sharp, And perfect corners.
-Leica R 28mm f2.8 - Vignetting makes this unusable even with a square crop.
-Leica M 40mm f2 (sum-c) - Heavy vignetting, must crop square to make usable. Sharp enough in the center.
-Voigtlander M Nokton 40mm f1.4 - Heavy vignetting, must crop square to make usable. Very sharp in the center. Very contrasty.
-Leica M 135mm f4 - Heavy vignetting, must crop square to make usable. Sharp enough in the center.
-Leica M Summilux 28mm f1.4 - Amazing sharpness, and the best wide angle contender. Has minor, and abrupt vignette. A 10% crop will likely eliminate any corner issues.
-MS-Optics Apoqualia-G 28mm f2 - Smooth, and natural looking vignette. 10% crop will fix most issues. Very sharp and contrasty.
-Leica Elmar 50mm f3.5 - Slight vignetting, can correct in post.
-Leica Screw Mount 90mm f4 - Heavy vignetting, must crop square to make usable. Sharp enough in the center.
-Nikon G 50mm f1.8 - Heavy vignetting, must crop square to make usable. Sharp in the center.
-Nikon F 55mm f2.8 - Less vignetting than the 50mm, very usable when cropped square.
-Nikon 105mm f2.8 - Less vignetting than the 50mm, very usable when cropped square.
-Nikon 14-24mm f2.8 - Vignetting makes this unusable even with a square crop.
-Minolta 50mm f2, f1.7, f1.4 - Minor vignetting, can correct vignetting in post.
-Minolta 35-70mm f3.5 - Minor vignetting, can correct vignetting in post. (Not at wider angles)
-Minotla MD 58mm 1.2- Medium weight vignette. Cropping required to avoid dark edges.
-Canon FD 50mm f1.8 - Heavy vignetting, must crop square to make usable. Sharp enough in the center.
-Mamiya 645 55mm f2.8 - Nearly Perfect (Incredibly minor vignetting). Very Sharp.
-Mamiya 645 110mm f2.8 - Perfectly Sharp, And perfect corners.
-Olympus Zuiko 50mm f1.8 - Heavy vignetting, must crop square to make usable. Sharp enough in the center.
-Pentax SMC 50mm f2 - Vignetting makes this unusable even with a square crop.
-Pentax SMC 28mm f3.5 - Less vignetting than the SMC 50mm, also one of the best wide contenders out of all these lenses. However, you still are going to see vignetting when cropped square.
Is there an adaptor that would allow use of the lenses made for the Mamiya 6 rangefinder medium format camera?
Quote from: RLouis on December 28, 2017, 01:48:48 PM
Is there an adaptor that would allow use of the lenses made for the Mamiya 6 rangefinder medium format camera?
I think you may be able to use a double adapter to get that working. I will talk to my contact and find out for you.
Quote from: galoubet on December 28, 2017, 04:19:14 PM
Quote from: ferrantejohn on December 28, 2017, 05:37:00 AM
I had the opportunity to visit Fotodiox HQ
Blimey! I wish you'd given us some advanced notice about your visit. I could have asked you to get me a V-X1D adapter!
I'm having problems locating one in the UK and the supply of Kipon adapters on Ebay suddenly seems to have dried up. Wonder why?
Fotodiox (I think) has sellers that would ship to you. If not try contacting them directly. I couldn't purchase the new adapters at that time anyways because they weren't officially released yet.
Quote from: ferrantejohn on January 03, 2018, 04:43:41 AM
Quote from: RLouis on December 28, 2017, 01:48:48 PM
Is there an adaptor that would allow use of the lenses made for the Mamiya 6 rangefinder medium format camera?
I think you may be able to use a double adapter to get that working. I will talk to my contact and find out for you.
It's surprising that there is no adapter for the Mamiya 7 lenses for either the X1D or the GFX. Excellent optical quality, small and light weight, and designed for the 6x7 format so there should be no vignetting issues.
Quote from: hcubell on January 03, 2018, 06:01:22 AM
Quote from: ferrantejohn on January 03, 2018, 04:43:41 AM
Quote from: RLouis on December 28, 2017, 01:48:48 PM
Is there an adaptor that would allow use of the lenses made for the Mamiya 6 rangefinder medium format camera?
I think you may be able to use a double adapter to get that working. I will talk to my contact and find out for you.
It's surprising that there is no adapter for the Mamiya 7 lenses for either the X1D or the GFX. Excellent optical quality, small and light weight, and designed for the 6x7 format so there should be no vignetting issues.
Spoke with my contact over there. The electronic shutters on the Mamiya 7 lenses mean no dumb adapters will work. Someone will have to invest the man power into creating the coding, and hardware to get those lenses to function with the X1D. Maybe another company will be willing.
Quote from: RLouis on December 28, 2017, 01:48:48 PM
Is there an adaptor that would allow use of the lenses made for the Mamiya 6 rangefinder medium format camera?
The electronic leaf shutters seem to be a difficult one for people to adapt. It will be unlikely that a company will attempt it. *Will keep fingers crossed*
Quote from: ferrantejohn on January 03, 2018, 08:06:27 AM
Quote from: hcubell on January 03, 2018, 06:01:22 AM
Quote from: ferrantejohn on January 03, 2018, 04:43:41 AM
Quote from: RLouis on December 28, 2017, 01:48:48 PM
Is there an adaptor that would allow use of the lenses made for the Mamiya 6 rangefinder medium format camera?
I think you may be able to use a double adapter to get that working. I will talk to my contact and find out for you.
It's surprising that there is no adapter for the Mamiya 7 lenses for either the X1D or the GFX. Excellent optical quality, small and light weight, and designed for the 6x7 format so there should be no vignetting issues.
Spoke with my contact over there. The electronic shutters on the Mamiya 7 lenses mean no dumb adapters will work. Someone will have to invest the man power into creating the coding, and hardware to get those lenses to function with the X1D. Maybe another company will be willing.
Thanks, that explains it. I think H and others are coming out with a V series adapter for V series LS lenses, so it's apparently possible. I wouldn't be surprised to see Phase release a mirrorless body with the full frame 150MP sensor that uses the Mamiya 7 lenses.
Quote from: hcubell on January 03, 2018, 12:46:09 PM
Quote from: ferrantejohn on January 03, 2018, 08:06:27 AM
Quote from: hcubell on January 03, 2018, 06:01:22 AM
Quote from: ferrantejohn on January 03, 2018, 04:43:41 AM
Quote from: RLouis on December 28, 2017, 01:48:48 PM
Is there an adaptor that would allow use of the lenses made for the Mamiya 6 rangefinder medium format camera?
I think you may be able to use a double adapter to get that working. I will talk to my contact and find out for you.
It's surprising that there is no adapter for the Mamiya 7 lenses for either the X1D or the GFX. Excellent optical quality, small and light weight, and designed for the 6x7 format so there should be no vignetting issues.
Spoke with my contact over there. The electronic shutters on the Mamiya 7 lenses mean no dumb adapters will work. Someone will have to invest the man power into creating the coding, and hardware to get those lenses to function with the X1D. Maybe another company will be willing.
Thanks, that explains it. I think H and others are coming out with a V series adapter for V series LS lenses, so it's apparently possible. I wouldn't be surprised to see Phase release a mirrorless body with the full frame 150MP sensor that uses the Mamiya 7 lenses.
Mechanical leaf shutters aren't a problem, It is the electronic leaf shutters that are. You can use V series lenses with "dumb" adapters with no problem. From what I have been told (I don't have experience with this) is that the Mamiya 7 lenses have electronic shutters, and will require electronics on the adapter and camera to get them to function.
This is the same reason why you can not use an H series lens with a "dump" adapter. It requires electronics to operate it.
I do not know of an adapter from Phase that gets 3rd party electronic shutters to work with it. I really don't know if anyone has figured that out. Would be pretty amazing if they did though. Those Mamiya 7 lenses would make a great addition to the line up.
Quote from: galoubet on January 03, 2018, 06:49:33 PM
Quote from: ferrantejohn on January 03, 2018, 04:46:00 AM
Fotodiox (I think) has sellers that would ship to you. If not try contacting them directly. I couldn't purchase the new adapters at that time anyways because they weren't officially released yet.
Fotodiox told me they have no UK retailers for the adapters I want at the moment but that could change in a few weeks'. However I've decided I'd buy direct from Fotodiox and have today ordered a X1D to V lens adapter and one for Nikon lenses. Might take a few weeks to arrive in the UK but that's ok as it'll take me just over 2 weeks to get back home anyway.
Excellent! I am happy you were able to order directly from them. The 80mm (C), and 50mm (CF) we tested worked great on the X1D.
Quote from: ferrantejohn on January 04, 2018, 04:46:06 AM
Quote from: galoubet on January 03, 2018, 06:49:33 PM
Quote from: ferrantejohn on January 03, 2018, 04:46:00 AM
Fotodiox (I think) has sellers that would ship to you. If not try contacting them directly. I couldn't purchase the new adapters at that time anyways because they weren't officially released yet.
Fotodiox told me they have no UK retailers for the adapters I want at the moment but that could change in a few weeks'. However I've decided I'd buy direct from Fotodiox and have today ordered a X1D to V lens adapter and one for Nikon lenses. Might take a few weeks to arrive in the UK but that's ok as it'll take me just over 2 weeks to get back home anyway.
Excellent! I am happy you were able to order directly from them. The 80mm (C), and 50mm (CF) we tested worked great on the X1D.
Quote from: ferrantejohn on January 04, 2018, 04:44:23 AM
Quote from: hcubell on January 03, 2018, 12:46:09 PM
Quote from: ferrantejohn on January 03, 2018, 08:06:27 AM
Quote from: hcubell on January 03, 2018, 06:01:22 AM
Quote from: ferrantejohn on January 03, 2018, 04:43:41 AM
Quote from: RLouis on December 28, 2017, 01:48:48 PM
Is there an adaptor that would allow use of the lenses made for the Mamiya 6 rangefinder medium format camera?
I think you may be able to use a double adapter to get that working. I will talk to my contact and find out for you.
It's surprising that there is no adapter for the Mamiya 7 lenses for either the X1D or the GFX. Excellent optical quality, small and light weight, and designed for the 6x7 format so there should be no vignetting issues.
Spoke with my contact over there. The electronic shutters on the Mamiya 7 lenses mean no dumb adapters will work. Someone will have to invest the man power into creating the coding, and hardware to get those lenses to function with the X1D. Maybe another company will be willing.
Thanks, that explains it. I think H and others are coming out with a V series adapter for V series LS lenses, so it's apparently possible. I wouldn't be surprised to see Phase release a mirrorless body with the full frame 150MP sensor that uses the Mamiya 7 lenses.
Mechanical leaf shutters aren't a problem, It is the electronic leaf shutters that are. You can use V series lenses with "dumb" adapters with no problem. From what I have been told (I don't have experience with this) is that the Mamiya 7 lenses have electronic shutters, and will require electronics on the adapter and camera to get them to function.
This is the same reason why you can not use an H series lens with a "dump" adapter. It requires electronics to operate it.
I do not know of an adapter from Phase that gets 3rd party electronic shutters to work with it. I really don't know if anyone has figured that out. Would be pretty amazing if they did though. Those Mamiya 7 lenses would make a great addition to the line up.
This discussion about the adaptation of the Mamiya 7 lenses to the X1D body has me thinking about whether Hasselblad would consider offering a line of manual focus lenses that would sacrifice AF in order to achieve a smaller, lighter form factor. If Mamiya could produce lenses that were so small and light weight for the 6x7 format, imagine what Hasselblad could produce for a cropped 645 format.
Quote from: hcubell on January 04, 2018, 06:48:21 AM
Quote from: ferrantejohn on January 04, 2018, 04:46:06 AM
Quote from: galoubet on January 03, 2018, 06:49:33 PM
Quote from: ferrantejohn on January 03, 2018, 04:46:00 AM
Fotodiox (I think) has sellers that would ship to you. If not try contacting them directly. I couldn't purchase the new adapters at that time anyways because they weren't officially released yet.
Fotodiox told me they have no UK retailers for the adapters I want at the moment but that could change in a few weeks'. However I've decided I'd buy direct from Fotodiox and have today ordered a X1D to V lens adapter and one for Nikon lenses. Might take a few weeks to arrive in the UK but that's ok as it'll take me just over 2 weeks to get back home anyway.
Excellent! I am happy you were able to order directly from them. The 80mm (C), and 50mm (CF) we tested worked great on the X1D.
Quote from: ferrantejohn on January 04, 2018, 04:44:23 AM
Quote from: hcubell on January 03, 2018, 12:46:09 PM
Quote from: ferrantejohn on January 03, 2018, 08:06:27 AM
Quote from: hcubell on January 03, 2018, 06:01:22 AM
Quote from: ferrantejohn on January 03, 2018, 04:43:41 AM
Quote from: RLouis on December 28, 2017, 01:48:48 PM
Is there an adaptor that would allow use of the lenses made for the Mamiya 6 rangefinder medium format camera?
I think you may be able to use a double adapter to get that working. I will talk to my contact and find out for you.
It's surprising that there is no adapter for the Mamiya 7 lenses for either the X1D or the GFX. Excellent optical quality, small and light weight, and designed for the 6x7 format so there should be no vignetting issues.
Spoke with my contact over there. The electronic shutters on the Mamiya 7 lenses mean no dumb adapters will work. Someone will have to invest the man power into creating the coding, and hardware to get those lenses to function with the X1D. Maybe another company will be willing.
Thanks, that explains it. I think H and others are coming out with a V series adapter for V series LS lenses, so it's apparently possible. I wouldn't be surprised to see Phase release a mirrorless body with the full frame 150MP sensor that uses the Mamiya 7 lenses.
Mechanical leaf shutters aren't a problem, It is the electronic leaf shutters that are. You can use V series lenses with "dumb" adapters with no problem. From what I have been told (I don't have experience with this) is that the Mamiya 7 lenses have electronic shutters, and will require electronics on the adapter and camera to get them to function.
This is the same reason why you can not use an H series lens with a "dump" adapter. It requires electronics to operate it.
I do not know of an adapter from Phase that gets 3rd party electronic shutters to work with it. I really don't know if anyone has figured that out. Would be pretty amazing if they did though. Those Mamiya 7 lenses would make a great addition to the line up.
This discussion about the adaptation of the Mamiya 7 lenses to the X1D body has me thinking about whether Hasselblad would consider offering a line of manual focus lenses that would sacrifice AF in order to achieve a smaller, lighter form factor. If Mamiya could produce lenses that were so small and light weight for the 6x7 format, imagine what Hasselblad could produce for a cropped 645 format.
It would likely fall on Hasselblad's current lens designer, and manufacturer Nittoh. Since they made the Hasselblad/Fuji Xpan lenses some years ago... I would think they have the ability to make small manual focus lenses.
likely won't happen, if I am being honest with myself. Hasselblad won't undercut their own series of expensive lenses to give people a more affordable (albeit cool) compact manual focus option. Especially after they have invested all this money and R&D into their current line up of lenses.
If they were smart about it, they will advance their line of lens adapters. less overhead for them, and it gets more people buying into their brand.
All that being said, I think we all want what you mentioned above... small fast manual lenses.
I am using my CF 250 lens on my X1D via a Kipon adapter. It works fine. Not nearly as convenient as an XCD lens, but when the longer focal lengths are not even available for the X1D, the older Zeiss lenses represent the only real option in town. I'm sure you'll enjoy yours.
Quote from: galoubet on January 04, 2018, 12:44:03 PM
Quote from: ferrantejohn on January 04, 2018, 04:46:06 AM
Excellent! I am happy you were able to order directly from them. The 80mm (C), and 50mm (CF) we tested worked great on the X1D.
The adapters are on their way. Will arrive in the UK before I do.
I part exchanged my 80mm (C) and 50mm (C) lenses when I bought the X1D thinking they'd be of no further use. But my 150mm C-Sonnar and 250mm C-Sonnar both failed a shutter test and were rejected. That was a lucky break! They are going to be very useful now.
Please make sure to post here with results from your telephoto lenses. I think we would all love to see the results.
Quote from: galoubet on January 04, 2018, 01:50:16 PM
It's always a bit mind-boggling comparing focal lengths on different camera systems but by my (simple) reckoning my 250mm lens will produce an image more like a 350mm tele-tessar lens on 6x6 film. Got to be a bonus. Can't wait to try it out. I also have a 2x Vivitar converter.
Btw - as an aside, I tried out the electronic shutter the other day photographing some tree flowers in a strong breeze, so they were moving around a bit. I took some shots, hand held, with both electronic and leaf shutter settings. I was expecting to see a difference. But they looked perfectly identical. No breeze this morning, just clear sunshine, and warming up nicely!
By comparison the movement of a tree is still pretty slow. When you use it on a fast moving fashion shoot... the images start coming out distorted. Also, shooting in anything that isn't natural light becomes a headache. Rolling shutter becomes a big issue with modulating light sources.
All we can hope is that is may improve a bit in time with firmware updates.
Quote from: Michael H. Cothran on January 04, 2018, 12:58:50 PM
I am using my CF 250 lens on my X1D via a Kipon adapter. It works fine. Not nearly as convenient as an XCD lens, but when the longer focal lengths are not even available for the X1D, the older Zeiss lenses represent the only real option in town. I'm sure you'll enjoy yours.
Glad to hear it! I think we all like seeing our old Zeiss glass being put to good use again.
I have been using a Pentax P67 200mm on my X1D with Kipon adapter. Neither the adapter or the lens comes with a tripod mount and the combo needs support if I am to use it for my Long exposure work. Super sharp as a walk around lens though. I really like it.
Since this is the ultimate guide, I'm going to add my findings on some Canon lenses adapted with the Kipon EF-XCD adapter. Note the aperture can be changed with this adapter, IS does not work.
Canon EF 135mm f/2L - Excellent, with minimal vignetting that can be easily corrected.
Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS - Excellent, with minimal vignetting that can be easily corrected. 1:1 macro!
Canon EF 500mm f/4L IS II - Significant vignetting, only square crop is usable.
Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L - The built-in lens shade ruins it for the 11-14mm range. Starting from 15mm the image is very usable, with minimal vignetting that can be easily corrected.
Alex
Quote from: rent on January 25, 2018, 04:29:13 PM
Since this is the ultimate guide, I'm going to add my findings on some Canon lenses adapted with the Kipon EF-XCD adapter. Note the aperture can be changed with this adapter, IS does not work.
Canon EF 135mm f/2L - Excellent, with minimal vignetting that can be easily corrected.
Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS - Excellent, with minimal vignetting that can be easily corrected. 1:1 macro!
Canon EF 500mm f/4L IS II - Significant vignetting, only square crop is usable.
Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L - The built-in lens shade ruins it for the 11-14mm range. Starting from 15mm the image is very usable, with minimal vignetting that can be easily corrected.
Alex
After I saw this post last week I've ordered a Kipon adapter on eBay to test it with my Canon 85mm f 1.2 II as it needs electronic connection even to do manual focus as well as simplify my workflow of setting the aperture on other Canon lenses. I received the adapter in less than 4 days, it works perfectly well and it powers up 85mm to allow focusing!
Canon EF 85mm f/1.2 II L - Excellent, with some vignetting on f1.2 that can be easily corrected. Vignetting becomes negligible @f2.0.
Hey Alex, thanks for the report. Oh wow, I kind of regretting selling off my 1.2/85 II now. :-) But now I'm determined to get an Otus 85. Talking about GAS!
In addition:
Zeiss APO Sonnar T* (and Milvus) 2/135 - Excellent, with very minimal vignetting (less than the Canon 2/135). Super sharp.
Alex
Quote from: rent on March 13, 2018, 07:24:54 AM
Hey Alex, thanks for the report. Oh wow, I kind of regretting selling off my 1.2/85 II now. :-) But now I'm determined to get an Otus 85. Talking about GAS!
In addition:
Zeiss APO Sonnar T* (and Milvus) 2/135 - Excellent, with very minimal vignetting (less than the Canon 2/135). Super sharp.
Alex
Thanks Alex! I am a bit hesitant about the price tag $4.5k - this is really close to Hasselblad-level and I would wait for XCD 80mm :) But if you get it earlier, let us know :)
Do you have any wider-angle Zeiss lenses to test? I am more into landscape business and am very curious - so far Canon 16-35 f4 worked well on 20mm for me as well as Canon TS 24mm II - no vignetting and quite sharp.
Cheers, Alex
I don't have any Zeiss wide angles unfortunately.
Ming had reported some findings here (https://blog.mingthein.com/2017/08/24/e-shutter-firmware-for-the-hasselblad-x1d/) that may be of some interest.
Quote from: rent on March 13, 2018, 12:03:54 PM
I don't have any Zeiss wide angles unfortunately.
Ming had reported some findings here (https://blog.mingthein.com/2017/08/24/e-shutter-firmware-for-the-hasselblad-x1d/) that may be of some interest.
Thanks! The widest he went for in Zeiss seems to be 28mm, which was not good, but Sigma 20/1.4 is good, so I wonder if some of the extreme WA lenses are any good :)
Converging my report from this http://www.hasselbladdigitalforum.com/index.php?topic=5401.0 (http://www.hasselbladdigitalforum.com/index.php?topic=5401.0) thread with samples I add some lenses here too:
Canon 50mm 1.4 => slight vignetting (improves at f3.5), that is acceptable for portraits, perfect colors and sharpness, almost as sharp as XCD 45mm @ f3.5; Very interesting options for portraits
Canon 24mm TS => very little vignetting @3.5, didn't test it at smaller apertures as I didn't have a Canon body to set it (disadvantage of Fotodiox vs Cambo, but Cambo is 1000$+ and Fotodiox is just 160$). I'd use XCD 30mm if tilt/shift functions are not needed UPD: With Kipon adapter - recommended!
Canon 135mm f2 => didn't test it for long, but acts more like Canon 50mm 1.4 except for less vignetting, recommended!
Helios 40 85mm 1.5 (old Soviet lens) => Portrait miracle - slight vignetting, not very sharp, but does what it needs to do - with a great dynamic range and iconic bokeh.
Canon 85mm 1.2 => no manual focusing available, so just did a couple of shots - looks great, but not really usable . UPD: With Kipon adapter one can set the aperture AND focus! Very light vignetting @1.2, otherwise flawless!
Canon 16-35 f4 => Severe vignetting from 16mm to 19mm, sweet spot at 19mm-24mm, then vignetting again. I used it for some landscapes and it it really good!
Sigma 12-24 4.5-5.6 I => surprisingly good after 18mm, very nice colors, almost as XCD 30mm, need more time to evaluate
First autofocus adapter for Canon lenses for Fuji GFX, I wonder if H is going to get one anytime soon..
http://techartpro.com/product/techart-canon-ef-lens-to-fujifilm-gfx-autofocus-adapter/ (http://techartpro.com/product/techart-canon-ef-lens-to-fujifilm-gfx-autofocus-adapter/)
I'm curious about how the image circle looks like with the Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS. Does anyone have one to test?
By the way I'm in SoCal would be happy to meet up to try one. Coffee on me.
Thanks!
Alex
Quote from: alex_tseli on March 13, 2018, 08:54:36 PM
Canon 16-35 f4 => Severe vignetting from 16mm to 19mm, sweet spot at 19mm-24mm, then vignetting again. I used it for some landscapes and it it really good!
Alex, could the severe vignetting from 16-19 be due to the lens hood? Was it of an irregular shape? I had a similar observation with the 11-24mm.
Quote from: rent on March 19, 2018, 04:01:00 AM
Quote from: alex_tseli on March 13, 2018, 08:54:36 PM
Canon 16-35 f4 => Severe vignetting from 16mm to 19mm, sweet spot at 19mm-24mm, then vignetting again. I used it for some landscapes and it it really good!
Alex, could the severe vignetting from 16-19 be due to the lens hood? Was it of an irregular shape? I had a similar observation with the 11-24mm.
I lost my hood the next day I bought the lens after it was released :)
The vignetting happens as when you zoom from 16mm to 35mm the inner element first moves backwards and then at some point goes forward, the shape is regular, at the corners. It is not like it is completely unusable as it occurs in the corners, the rest of the area is good, but would require content-aware cloning in PS :)
Just to add to the 'Adapter' discussion - I'm working with the Novoflex Nikon Mount Adapter on the X1D since the day it came out 2+ weeks ago. As usually from Novoflex, the Adapter itself is very sound. My focal point so far has been on some of the "older" Nikon Glass (non-'E') that allows me to use the manual aperture control. There are plenty of reports on the e.g. the stellar Otii's which I can confirm - they are stellar on the X1D, with the 85mm even better than the 55mm (less vignette), in 6x6 Mode. In the last few days I focused on the old 85mm F1.4 AF-S D and the 135mm F2 DC. Interestingly both lenses don't seem to be as sharp on the X1D as I remembered from my Nikon bodies - maybe the 39MPixel '6x6' Square is pushing them too far resolution-wise. The 135mm vignettes even more wide open, which I did not expect. It also shows more CA especially shooting against the light. Any backlight situation it really shows. I expected the 135mm to be worse on CA, but not by that much. For kicks I opted to mount the Nikon 105mm F1.4 'E' and the Sigma 135mm F1.8 (also electronic aperture control) which means they can only be used wide open. Even wide open they are sharper than my old Nikon glass I have to admit. This is of limited use though, since totally wide open lenses on a small MF sensor makes is very hard to focus with my aging eyes. Side note: I would wish for one of the future X1D firmware updates to combine focus magnification and focus peaking!! I've tried some other zoom glass well (Nikon 14-24mm F2.8, 24-70 etc.) with mediocre results. I think that the long scan time of the sensor (~300ms) makes any handheld shooting a hit-or-miss game, and even with a tripod your Sujet needs to be rather sitting still. But when it works, it does seem to offer nice results. Nikon 135mm F2 DC shot attached:
Last weekend I went shopping for something, that is wider than XCD 30mm and tested out the full range of Zeiss Milvus and Otus-es as well as some Canon zooms. All Zeisses wider than 35mm, just as reported earlier (e.g. here https://blog.mingthein.com/2017/08/24/e-shutter-firmware-for-the-hasselblad-x1d/ (https://blog.mingthein.com/2017/08/24/e-shutter-firmware-for-the-hasselblad-x1d/) or in this thread) have severe vignetting requiring a crop. After having tested my own Canon 16-35 f4 I was wondering how Canon 16-35 f2.8 III would work :)
Canon 16-35 f2.8 III => A miracle, highly recommended! Strong vignetting in 16mm-18mm, 19mm is acceptable if focused on infinity, 20mm-35mm very good, and almost no vignetting if stopped to f4. What is striking is lens sharpness. It is (in my opinion and based on several shots) visually sharper than XCD 30mm @30mm on the same settings. XCD gets on par at f8 though and is getting a bit sharper at f11.
New Petzval 58mm f1.9 Bokeh Control => Perfect lens for creative portraits. Does show substantial vignetting in the corners, but even on full frame the corners are very soft and require post-processing, so I didn't see this a a disadvantage. Sharp center and beautiful bokeh work very good on X1D
To those who are using adapters for the Hasselblad V lenses, do you find that the adapter to the X1D body has any play/wiggle once it's connected to the body? I just received the Fotodiox adapter which is very well made but as someone had previously mentioned, it focuses to infinity and well past (which is fine), but while focusing I also noted a bit of play on the mount. If the Novoflex is free of this, I would prefer to go this route and have the tighter connection and a tripod plate. I also have the Kipon Canon EF adapter that does not have any play and appears to mount very well to the X1D so I am looking for another solution that would match this quality.
To anyone who has the Novoflex adapter, where did you purchase it? I tried to buy direct but it looks like shipping to the US is not currently an option. Thanks in advance.
X1D w Voigtlander 15mm III. Definite vignetting in corners, but colors are quite nice. This is maybe a 50% crop.
I'm totally new to Hasselblad so I really have no clue. I need a telephoto option, has anyone tried a Leica R 180mm Apo-telyt on the X1D? Will the image circle cover it?
I don't want to do any cropping and like to stay as 'native' to the system as possible. Would I be better off getting an HC 210mm maybe? Or waiting for the XCD 135mm?
Quote from: retcheto on April 18, 2018, 05:14:42 AM
I'm totally new to Hasselblad so I really have no clue. I need a telephoto option, has anyone tried a Leica R 180mm Apo-telyt on the X1D? Will the image circle cover it?
I don't want to do any cropping and like to stay as 'native' to the system as possible. Would I be better off getting an HC 210mm maybe? Or waiting for the XCD 135mm?
I have the Leica R 180mm APO-Elmarit f/2.8 and the HC 210. I prefer the HC 210 with the XH adapter even though the combination is much larger and heavier than the Leica R lens. The Leica R lens requires the use of electronic shutter which is best used when the subject isn't moving (at all) and when the lighting isn't artificial lighting. The HC 210 requires manual focus and a tripod for best results, but I have used it handheld and with a monopod. There is a collar/foot sold by ppl.de, a German company, that is ideal for the XH adapter.
I'm anxiously awaiting the XCD 135mm, too. But I may be waiting a long, long time.
Joe
Re the Mamiya 645 110mm f2.8, can anyone who uses this advise. Is this the older version such as here? If so seems like a good shout
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Probably interesting for us:
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Michael
Got the HAX / LEM (New! Version of the Novoflex X1D to Leica M) Adapter last night. Ran a quick test. The Novoflex Adapater is solid as always, but the first lens I picked, my old Leica Noctilux V3 from 1982, is entirely unusable. Pictures attached. Will run some additional test with other M lenses as time allows. Mind you, this is the strong vignette in 6x6 mode. Cool in it's own right, but not what I had expected after seeing some excellent results with other lenses (including my own FF Nikon lenses).
Too bad.
Try as hard as I damn can, it just seems like there's no way to mount an F mount lens to the XCD. It looks like it's not possible?
I'm using the Nikon F mount adapter from Novoflex with various old Nikon glass with excellent results - within the limitations of the X1D, like 300ms sensor readout times. Pls see my postings above. For now my results are actually better than using the Leica M glass with a different Novoflex adapter.
Has anyone tried the Pentax P67 75mm shift? This lens intrigues me for my long exposure panorama work.
Well I decided to get the Pentax P67 75 shift and it works really well. I love shift lenses for my long exposure panoramic pics. It is a big piece of glass but it is a really clever piece of kit the way the shift works. I am a little annoyed my Fotodiox adaptor which I purchased because of the tripod foot is very loose on the camera side. My insta feed has a triptic I shot today should anyone be interested in this lens. @fotoflonz
Tried the following lenses:
Old 55 Nikon Micro - excellent sharpness, slight vignetting at all appertures.
Much better micro contrast and sharpness compared to 45mm XCD, the latter quite honestly was a major disappointment within the system. Not as usable for Macro compared to 120 though due to close proximity, but great overall lens.
Nikon 85 tilt shift - not as sharp as 120mm xcd, but otherwise quite ok
Pentax 645 lenses, manual, all show no vignette:
35 mm - softer and less contrasty compared to 30mm xcd, but close to 45mm xcd, plus-minus
120 mm - noticably softer than 120mm xcd
Pentax 645 45-85 autofocus old - about as good as Pentax 35mm.
After experiencing a loose tripod mounting plate and a lens flange plate that actually detached from the adapter body, I returned my Fotodiox Adapters for Locklite Thread Sealing Treatment.