Have you seen anywhere this lens??
I couldn't find any review or comment about the the 90V, and at the Hasselblad store is the only new item which is not available to buy!
Thanks,
E
I have not seen any reviews or anyone mentioning a delivery/shipping yet. Likewise, no sample images other than the few JPGs on Hasselblad's website. I believe that if any deliveries would have occurred, someone would have quickly posted a YouTube review, or at least a forum mention.
Despite the above, I pre-ordered one. Once it arrives, will test it. If it is not to my liking, figured I could re-sell it without suffering too much depreciation.
...gregg
Not available yet. I ordered launch day and don't have a shipping date yet.
Gordon
I have an approximate shipping date of 21st Oct - so I may have it in 10+ days -- if this does not change.
My dealer said "in November"
My 90V order has a 17th Oct. Delivery date. Lets see if this happens, as this would be two days from now (unless you are from the future when reading this..).
Tomorrow makes you a happy person I hope! :)
Quote from: Jatero on October 16, 2022, 02:16:44 AM
My 90V order has a 17th Oct. Delivery date. Lets see if this happens, as this would be two days from now (unless you are from the future when reading this..).
Pleas report if you got it.
Any news?
I have that one on order too. My dealer told me end of October. (Kameradoktorn Stockholm Sweden)
Australian distributor has 25 November as shipping date for any orders. Can't say if there's any shipping before that in pre-orders but if you order now in Oz it's the end of November.
Gordon
I was just notified that the delivery of my 3 new V lenses has been pushed back from End of October to mid-November "subject to change".
I have seen reviews and pictures from the 38 and 55mm V lenses but found no sample pictures from the 90mm V except the four on Hasselblad's website. So I wonder if the 90mm is existing only as a prototype.
We are in November..... any updates?
Quote from: etto72 on November 08, 2022, 04:48:19 AM
We are in November..... any updates?
Somebody in another forum said "postponed until December" .....
Close to end of November, an update will show on Hasselblad website.
really? how do you know that for sure?
Quote from: mtclearwave on November 09, 2022, 01:53:21 AM
really? how do you know that for sure?
I contacted my dealer just now, they said "last week in November or first in December" I guess nobody can know for sure.
Quote from: mtclearwave on November 09, 2022, 01:53:21 AM
really? how do you know that for sure?
Rule One of new equipment and features to be provided through firmware updates:
Until they are in your hand, they do not exist - announcements, dates, promises, and reviews notwithstanding.
My dealer in Cali told me yesterday, late December.
Quote from: fti9748 on November 19, 2022, 09:04:05 AM
My dealer in Cali told me yesterday, late December.
Which year? ;-)
More delays in receiving the XCD-V lenses. My supplier informed me that he has had to push back his "estimate" of when I will receive the 3 new V lenses to next week (at the earliest) -- I placed my order on day one (September) and here we are over 2 months later almost in December and none of the 3 lenses have been deliver to him, let alone to me.
Still a no for my order. oh well. Happy with my current stand in for studio use. I don't shoot below F5.6/f8 so no love lost. It would have been nice though.....
I guess not December, Adorama claims 1/2/23
Quote from: MGrayson on November 09, 2022, 04:03:10 AM
Quote from: mtclearwave on November 09, 2022, 01:53:21 AM
really? how do you know that for sure?
Rule One of new equipment and features to be provided through firmware updates:
Until they are in your hand, they do not exist - announcements, dates, promises, and reviews notwithstanding.
Also true for the reverse: I still remember Leica saying a digital rangefinder camera is not possible 8)
Hasselblad might be trying to fix the lens mount rotational wobble thingy
Quote from: Andy Miller Photo UK on November 29, 2022, 12:25:38 AM
More delays in receiving the XCD-V lenses. My supplier informed me that he has had to push back his "estimate" of when I will receive the 3 new V lenses to next week (at the earliest) -- I placed my order on day one (September) and here we are over 2 months later almost in December and none of the 3 lenses have been deliver to him, let alone to me.
I received the 2.5/38 V and 2.5/55V and was told not to expect the 2.5/90V this year.
B&H in NYC is now saying January 30, 2023.
Quote from: hcubell on December 16, 2022, 12:54:21 AM
B&H in NYC is now saying January 30, 2023.
Same with the Australian distributor.
I have the original 90 and it's fab. I can be a bit patient.
Gordon
I wonder if Hasselblad made any except some prototypes. I have not seen any sample images from anyone on the web with this lens except the ones on Hasselblad's website page for this lens.
It looks like they are shipping evaluation units now.
https://blog.kasson.com/x2d/coming-attraction/
Quoteso I agreed to the loan when they offered it.
What a kind character 8) He produces reviews he could as well write in Swedish - I don't understand most of it really, I am afraid. But I get it - there is at least one 90/2.5 around ;D
Quote from: Photon42 on December 31, 2022, 11:17:17 PM
Quoteso I agreed to the loan when they offered it.
What a kind character 8) He produces reviews he could as well write in Swedish - I don't understand most of it really, I am afraid. But I get it - there is at least one 90/2.5 around ;D
Jim's posts are reference material: they are correct and illuminatory. He does not write to increase his audience (no income from the site). Jim has an academic background and he writes in that style. If you wonder about something he wrote, feel free to ask questions on various forums. Jim is mostly active on DPR but frequents some other forums as well. His blog is a great place to learn new things.
Quote from: SrMi on January 01, 2023, 06:07:45 AM
Quote from: Photon42 on December 31, 2022, 11:17:17 PM
Quoteso I agreed to the loan when they offered it.
What a kind character 8) He produces reviews he could as well write in Swedish - I don't understand most of it really, I am afraid. But I get it - there is at least one 90/2.5 around ;D
Jim's posts are reference material: they are correct and illuminatory. He does not write to increase his audience (no income from the site). Jim has an academic background and he writes in that style. If you wonder about something he wrote, feel free to ask questions on various forums. Jim is mostly active on DPR but frequents some other forums as well. His blog is a great place to learn new things.
And one's reputation as an independent evaluator takes a huge hit when you get equipment straight from the manufacturer. Even with the disclaimer, it's not something done lightly. There
are good reviewers who are up-front about their relationships with their equipment suppliers, and you just have to recenter your interpretations accordingly.
Quote from: MGrayson on January 01, 2023, 06:13:04 AM
Quote from: SrMi on January 01, 2023, 06:07:45 AM
Quote from: Photon42 on December 31, 2022, 11:17:17 PM
Quoteso I agreed to the loan when they offered it.
What a kind character 8) He produces reviews he could as well write in Swedish - I don't understand most of it really, I am afraid. But I get it - there is at least one 90/2.5 around ;D
Jim's posts are reference material: they are correct and illuminatory. He does not write to increase his audience (no income from the site). Jim has an academic background and he writes in that style. If you wonder about something he wrote, feel free to ask questions on various forums. Jim is mostly active on DPR but frequents some other forums as well. His blog is a great place to learn new things.
And one's reputation as an independent evaluator takes a huge hit when you get equipment straight from the manufacturer. Even with the disclaimer, it's not something done lightly. There are good reviewers who are up-front about their relationships with their equipment suppliers, and you just have to recenter your interpretations accordingly.
Jim has clarified a couple of things:
- This is the second time that he will test gear that he does not own (the first was a Kolari-modded camera)
- The only requirement is to hold off on publishing his review until the embargo is lifted. Hasselblad has no say in the content of his review, but Jim will include any Hasselblad comments.
- The lens is a loan and goes back to Hasselblad after the review.
- Jim writes:
Whenever a reviewer accepts loaner gear there is always the possibility of bias, either conscious or unconscious. I will try to avoid that, but it is possible that I could be biased on favor of the lens because of the generous loan from Hasselblad.
The good news in all of this is that the lens is closer to being available to the unwashed masses (i.e., me). I ordered one on September 7 and look forward to using the new lens. The original XCD 90mm was/is my most used X-series lens.
Joe
This from the B&H website:
QuoteExpected availability: Mar 2023
:(
Quote from: JoeC on January 06, 2023, 08:58:32 AM
This from the B&H website:
QuoteExpected availability: Mar 2023
:(
Maybe Jim Kasson reported some issues or suggestions after testing, which are now causing a delay. ;)
The report on the CXD 90V will be delayed. Interesting...
https://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/the-report-on-the-cxd-90v-will-be-delayed/
They'd just embargoed it. It's a standard practice, not to steal the thunder from the official launch.
b&h is correct, the dealers based in China have indicated April.
Given the design is more or less similar to the old 90mm, they might have to work extra hard to give us a reason to get the new one.
Quote from: mar-ko on January 06, 2023, 09:02:35 AM
Quote from: JoeC on January 06, 2023, 08:58:32 AM
This from the B&H website:
QuoteExpected availability: Mar 2023
:(
Maybe Jim Kasson reported some issues or suggestions after testing, which are now causing a delay. ;)
Do you really think Jim Kasson knows more about any issues with a new lens than Hasselblad's own lens designers have identified?
Quote from: hcubell on January 16, 2023, 03:14:52 PM
Quote from: mar-ko on January 06, 2023, 09:02:35 AM
Quote from: JoeC on January 06, 2023, 08:58:32 AM
This from the B&H website:
QuoteExpected availability: Mar 2023
:(
Maybe Jim Kasson reported some issues or suggestions after testing, which are now causing a delay. ;)
Do you really think Jim Kasson knows more about any issues with a new lens than Hasselblad's own lens designers have identified?
A large team develops some complex and well tested software. A user walks up to the machine, presses two keys, and it crashes. I've been on both sides of that one.
Quote from: MGrayson on January 16, 2023, 03:22:04 PM
A large team develops some complex and well tested software. A user walks up to the machine, presses two keys, and it crashes. I've been on both sides of that one.
Or as one of my mentors at Cray once observed, "It's impossible to write foolproof software because fools are so ingenious."
Quote from: hcubell on January 16, 2023, 03:14:52 PM
Quote from: mar-ko on January 06, 2023, 09:02:35 AM
Quote from: JoeC on January 06, 2023, 08:58:32 AM
This from the B&H website:
QuoteExpected availability: Mar 2023
:(
Maybe Jim Kasson reported some issues or suggestions after testing, which are now causing a delay. ;)
Do you really think Jim Kasson knows more about any issues with a new lens than Hasselblad's own lens designers have identified?
I wouldn't doubt it. Are you aware of Jim's credentials as an IBM Research Fellow?
- https://blog.kasson.com/about-2/who-am-i/
- https://blog.kasson.com/about-2/patents-and-papers-about-color/
For reference, it's a pretty prestigious group... https://www.ibm.com/ibm/ideasfromibm/us/ibm_fellows/
Quote from: brynoceros on January 20, 2023, 07:50:11 PM
Quote from: hcubell on January 16, 2023, 03:14:52 PM
Quote from: mar-ko on January 06, 2023, 09:02:35 AM
Quote from: JoeC on January 06, 2023, 08:58:32 AM
This from the B&H website:
QuoteExpected availability: Mar 2023
:(
Maybe Jim Kasson reported some issues or suggestions after testing, which are now causing a delay. ;)
Do you really think Jim Kasson knows more about any issues with a new lens than Hasselblad's own lens designers have identified?
I wouldn't doubt it. Are you aware of Jim's credentials as an IBM Research Fellow?
- https://blog.kasson.com/about-2/who-am-i/
- https://blog.kasson.com/about-2/patents-and-papers-about-color/
For reference, it's a pretty prestigious group... https://www.ibm.com/ibm/ideasfromibm/us/ibm_fellows/
Huh. didn't Know that about JK. I was at TJ Watson for a few years ('89-'93). Fascinating place. Guy across the hall from me was later made a fellow. Definitely deserved it!
Ha I've just been at YKT last week. Need to connect with the fellow colleagues photo enthusiasts!:)
B&H just updated their expected availability to 2nd if June... oof :-\
The Austrian distributor told me that HB has undetermined problems, at least for the public, and therefore cannot deliver.
There is actually no delivery date and if any dealer names a specific date then it is not a serious statement but only a personal assumption.
Quote from: doc steel on February 10, 2023, 07:49:31 PM
The Austrian distributor told me that HB has undetermined problems, at least for the public, and therefore cannot deliver.
There is actually no delivery date and if any dealer names a specific date then it is not a serious statement but only a personal assumption.
I have not seen it confirmed, but there have been reports that Panasonic is manufacturing the new XCD V Series lenses, not Nittoh, which manufactured all of the earlier versions of the XCD lenses, and all of which were excellent in terms of optical quality. If it's true about Panasonic, I wonder why the switch was made. Panasonic is not known to be in the top rank of lens manufacturers.
Just show at 33:35 https://youtu.be/zKG-bUc3qDY
where the Hasselblad optical design boss explains all the troubles they had with the design off the XCD30, promised just after the initial launch of the X1D, several times postponed and coming on the market more than a year later after several complete redesigns as the performance of Nittoh prototypes did not match what Hasselblad was awaiting.
In the same video you discover many other not before known informations about older Hasselblad lenses.
Quote from: hcubell on February 11, 2023, 06:01:14 AM
If it's true about Panasonic, I wonder why the switch was made. Panasonic is not known to be in the top rank of lens manufacturers.
Remember that the new Leica Summicron SL 35 and 50mm are just renamed Panasonic same lenses.....
In the same Hasselblad video At 25:32 you also learn that the X-Pan body and lenses were not developped by Fuji, but by Nittoh (the XCD lenses manufacturer) for both Fuji and Hasselblad !
Do the new XCD-V lenses also come from Nittoh ?
I never saw an official Hasselblad statement avout these lenses.
Quote from: tenmangu81 on February 11, 2023, 09:24:25 AM
Quote from: hcubell on February 11, 2023, 06:01:14 AM
If it's true about Panasonic, I wonder why the switch was made. Panasonic is not known to be in the top rank of lens manufacturers.
Remember that the new Leica Summicron SL 35 and 50mm are just renamed Panasonic same lenses.....
Perhaps, but those are the lower price point L series Leica branded lenses.
Well I just cancelled my 90V and have ordered an XCD 135mm set. That I am told should be with me before end next week (18th Feb). Lets see. I am happy with the 38V lens.
My distributor (Austria) told me that the 135mm can only be ordered with or without a converter.
Ordering the converter alone is currently not possible.
I don't know if this only applies to Austria, but I assume that it is a delivery problem and therefore at least applies to Europe.
In any case, I would also order the converter when ordering the 135mm.
I ordered the converter because if I ever sell the 135mm the converter is part of the set and no doubt when I came to sell ALL buyers would want both!
Quote from: doc steel on February 12, 2023, 07:45:11 AM
My distributor (Austria) told me that the 135mm can only be ordered with or without a converter.
Ordering the converter alone is currently not possible.
I don't know if this only applies to Austria, but I assume that it is a delivery problem and therefore at least applies to Europe.
In any case, I would also order the converter when ordering the 135mm.
It's everywhere and has been since the lens was released.
The converter works REALLY well. Still optically very very good with the TC. As good as I've seen from any lens TC combo as I really was designed for the 135. It does not fit on any other XCD lens. Also if you use the XCD/HC adaptor you can use the TC with any HC lens on the X1D/X2D although IBIS isn't yet supported with this combination and may never be.
Gordon
Quote from: flash on February 12, 2023, 11:23:19 AM
Quote from: doc steel on February 12, 2023, 07:45:11 AM
My distributor (Austria) told me that the 135mm can only be ordered with or without a converter.
Ordering the converter alone is currently not possible.
I don't know if this only applies to Austria, but I assume that it is a delivery problem and therefore at least applies to Europe.
In any case, I would also order the converter when ordering the 135mm.
It's everywhere and has been since the lens was released.
The converter works REALLY well. Still optically very very good with the TC. As good as I've seen from any lens TC combo as I really was designed for the 135. It does not fit on any other XCD lens. Also if you use the XCD/HC adaptor you can use the TC with any HC lens on the X1D/X2D although IBIS isn't yet supported with this combination and may never be.
Gordon
The TC for the XCD 135mm lens does not work with the HC 300mm lens. I tried it.
Quote from: JCM-Photos on February 11, 2023, 08:32:15 PM
In the same Hasselblad video At 25:32 you also learn that the X-Pan body and lenses were not developped by Fuji, but by Nittoh (the XCD lenses manufacturer) for both Fuji and Hasselblad !
Do the new XCD-V lenses also come from Nittoh ?
I never saw an official Hasselblad statement avout these lenses.
New V lenses comes from Panasonic, patent online if you dig deep enough.
Quote from: hcubell on February 12, 2023, 04:20:47 PM
Quote from: flash on February 12, 2023, 11:23:19 AM
Quote from: doc steel on February 12, 2023, 07:45:11 AM
My distributor (Austria) told me that the 135mm can only be ordered with or without a converter.
Ordering the converter alone is currently not possible.
I don't know if this only applies to Austria, but I assume that it is a delivery problem and therefore at least applies to Europe.
In any case, I would also order the converter when ordering the 135mm.
It's everywhere and has been since the lens was released.
The converter works REALLY well. Still optically very very good with the TC. As good as I've seen from any lens TC combo as I really was designed for the 135. It does not fit on any other XCD lens. Also if you use the XCD/HC adaptor you can use the TC with any HC lens on the X1D/X2D although IBIS isn't yet supported with this combination and may never be.
Gordon
The TC for the XCD 135mm lens does not work with the HC 300mm lens. I tried it.
Interesting. I don't have the 300. It does work with the 210, which I do have, with the standard adaptor (not the 0,8x). All my lenses support AF and do so with the adaptor and 1.7x, so they may need AF support , which I believe the 300 doesn't have? I'm not sure what firmware is supported other than the larger *orange dot* firmware all my HC lenses have.
I have the 24, 35-90, 100, 150 and 210mm and they all work perfectly and with AF but no IBIS when used with the 1.7x.
Gordon
Quote from: flash on February 13, 2023, 10:00:57 AM
Quote from: hcubell on February 12, 2023, 04:20:47 PM
Quote from: flash on February 12, 2023, 11:23:19 AM
Quote from: doc steel on February 12, 2023, 07:45:11 AM
My distributor (Austria) told me that the 135mm can only be ordered with or without a converter.
Ordering the converter alone is currently not possible.
I don't know if this only applies to Austria, but I assume that it is a delivery problem and therefore at least applies to Europe.
In any case, I would also order the converter when ordering the 135mm.
It's everywhere and has been since the lens was released.
The converter works REALLY well. Still optically very very good with the TC. As good as I've seen from any lens TC combo as I really was designed for the 135. It does not fit on any other XCD lens. Also if you use the XCD/HC adaptor you can use the TC with any HC lens on the X1D/X2D although IBIS isn't yet supported with this combination and may never be.
Gordon
The TC for the XCD 135mm lens does not work with the HC 300mm lens. I tried it.
Interesting. I don't have the 300. It does work with the 210, which I do have, with the standard adaptor (not the 0,8x). All my lenses support AF and do so with the adaptor and 1.7x, so they may need AF support , which I believe the 300 doesn't have? I'm not sure what firmware is supported other than the larger *orange dot* firmware all my HC lenses have.
I have the 24, 35-90, 100, 150 and 210mm and they all work perfectly and with AF but no IBIS when used with the 1.7x.
Gordon
I am a bit lost. Does IBIS work with the 135 and the adapter?
edit:Typo
Quote from: fti9748 on February 20, 2023, 04:31:58 PM
Quote from: flash on February 13, 2023, 10:00:57 AM
Quote from: hcubell on February 12, 2023, 04:20:47 PM
Quote from: flash on February 12, 2023, 11:23:19 AM
Quote from: doc steel on February 12, 2023, 07:45:11 AM
My distributor (Austria) told me that the 135mm can only be ordered with or without a converter.
Ordering the converter alone is currently not possible.
I don't know if this only applies to Austria, but I assume that it is a delivery problem and therefore at least applies to Europe.
In any case, I would also order the converter when ordering the 135mm.
It's everywhere and has been since the lens was released.
The converter works REALLY well. Still optically very very good with the TC. As good as I've seen from any lens TC combo as I really was designed for the 135. It does not fit on any other XCD lens. Also if you use the XCD/HC adaptor you can use the TC with any HC lens on the X1D/X2D although IBIS isn't yet supported with this combination and may never be.
Gordon
The TC for the XCD 135mm lens does not work with the HC 300mm lens. I tried it.
Interesting. I don't have the 300. It does work with the 210, which I do have, with the standard adaptor (not the 0,8x). All my lenses support AF and do so with the adaptor and 1.7x, so they may need AF support , which I believe the 300 doesn't have? I'm not sure what firmware is supported other than the larger *orange dot* firmware all my HC lenses have.
I have the 24, 35-90, 100, 150 and 210mm and they all work perfectly and with AF but no IBIS when used with the 1.7x.
Gordon
I am a bit lost. Does IBIS work with the 135 and the adapter?
edit:Typo
Yes. Gordon is referring to HC lenses.
Quote from: flash on February 13, 2023, 10:00:57 AM
Quote from: hcubell on February 12, 2023, 04:20:47 PM
Quote from: flash on February 12, 2023, 11:23:19 AM
Quote from: doc steel on February 12, 2023, 07:45:11 AM
My distributor (Austria) told me that the 135mm can only be ordered with or without a converter.
Ordering the converter alone is currently not possible.
I don't know if this only applies to Austria, but I assume that it is a delivery problem and therefore at least applies to Europe.
In any case, I would also order the converter when ordering the 135mm.
It's everywhere and has been since the lens was released.
The converter works REALLY well. Still optically very very good with the TC. As good as I've seen from any lens TC combo as I really was designed for the 135. It does not fit on any other XCD lens. Also if you use the XCD/HC adaptor you can use the TC with any HC lens on the X1D/X2D although IBIS isn't yet supported with this combination and may never be.
Gordon
The TC for the XCD 135mm lens does not work with the HC 300mm lens. I tried it.
Interesting. I don't have the 300. It does work with the 210, which I do have, with the standard adaptor (not the 0,8x). All my lenses support AF and do so with the adaptor and 1.7x, so they may need AF support , which I believe the 300 doesn't have? I'm not sure what firmware is supported other than the larger *orange dot* firmware all my HC lenses have.
I have the 24, 35-90, 100, 150 and 210mm and they all work perfectly and with AF but no IBIS when used with the 1.7x.
Gordon
Quote from: flash on February 13, 2023, 10:00:57 AM
Quote from: hcubell on February 12, 2023, 04:20:47 PM
Quote from: flash on February 12, 2023, 11:23:19 AM
Quote from: doc steel on February 12, 2023, 07:45:11 AM
My distributor (Austria) told me that the 135mm can only be ordered with or without a converter.
Ordering the converter alone is currently not possible.
I don't know if this only applies to Austria, but I assume that it is a delivery problem and therefore at least applies to Europe.
In any case, I would also order the converter when ordering the 135mm.
It's everywhere and has been since the lens was released.
The converter works REALLY well. Still optically very very good with the TC. As good as I've seen from any lens TC combo as I really was designed for the 135. It does not fit on any other XCD lens. Also if you use the XCD/HC adaptor you can use the TC with any HC lens on the X1D/X2D although IBIS isn't yet supported with this combination and may never be.
Gordon
The TC for the XCD 135mm lens does not work with the HC 300mm lens. I tried it.
Interesting. I don't have the 300. It does work with the 210, which I do have, with the standard adaptor (not the 0,8x). All my lenses support AF and do so with the adaptor and 1.7x, so they may need AF support , which I believe the 300 doesn't have? I'm not sure what firmware is supported other than the larger *orange dot* firmware all my HC lenses have.
I have the 24, 35-90, 100, 150 and 210mm and they all work perfectly and with AF but no IBIS when used with the 1.7x.
Gordon
Correction, the 1.7x TC for the 135 XCD lens DOES work with the 300mm. However, I tested the TC on the X2D with the HC 210mm lens and compared it to the HC 300mm lens at f/8 and f/11, and the HC 300mm lens was much better. I also tested the 1.7x TC with the HC 300mm and compared it to the Sony 100-400 G lens on an A7R2. The latter was far better. The performance of the 1.7x TC with the HC 300mm lens was quite poor. This is consistent with my understanding that the 1.7x TC for the XCD 135mm lens was engineered/optimized for that lens, and AFAIK, Hasselblad has never suggested using the TC with HC lenses.