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Title: Soft focus with X2D and XCD 35-75mm Zoom.
Post by: AlwaysRichard on September 08, 2023, 12:55:57 PM
I just got the X2D with the XCD 35-75mm lens. I'm not sure if I am pixel peeping or if the camera/lens combo is causing soft focus. I can take sharp photos indoors but outside the photos looks to have a ghosting to them.

X2D Firmware: v2.0.1
XCD 35-75mm Firmware: v0.6.0

Photo taken on tripod. 1/150sec,  f/11, ISO 64, Lens at 75mm zoom.

Full Photo:
(https://alwaysphotographing.s3.amazonaws.com/WaterTower.png)

400% zoom in to lettering on tower
(https://alwaysphotographing.s3.amazonaws.com/WaterTower-Closeup.png)

My other issue is I'm not sure if its the camera or the lens, since I only have one of each, no way to rule anything out.

Title: Re: Soft focus with X2D and XCD 35-75mm Zoom.
Post by: bmikiten on September 08, 2023, 02:34:43 PM
I have the same combination. i'll try to do a test this weekend for comparison.

Title: Re: Soft focus with X2D and XCD 35-75mm Zoom.
Post by: MGrayson on September 08, 2023, 10:57:34 PM
Quote from: AlwaysRichard on September 08, 2023, 12:55:57 PM
I just got the X2D with the XCD 35-75mm lens. I'm not sure if I am pixel peeping or if the camera/lens combo is causing soft focus. I can take sharp photos indoors but outside the photos looks to have a ghosting to them.

X2D Firmware: v2.0.1
XCD 35-75mm Firmware: v0.6.0

Photo taken on tripod. 1/150sec,  f/11, ISO 64, Lens at 75mm zoom.

Full Photo:
(https://alwaysphotographing.s3.amazonaws.com/WaterTower.png)

400% zoom in to lettering on tower
(https://alwaysphotographing.s3.amazonaws.com/WaterTower-Closeup.png)

My other issue is I'm not sure if its the camera or the lens, since I only have one of each, no way to rule anything out.

You didn't, by any chance, have IBIS on, did you? I've done that about half the time I've put an X2D on a tripod.
Title: Re: Soft focus with X2D and XCD 35-75mm Zoom.
Post by: AlwaysRichard on September 09, 2023, 01:37:41 AM
I thought that, but here is a another example, of a painted brick wall.

(https://alwaysphotographing.s3.amazonaws.com/Screenshot+2023-09-08+at+8.26.58+AM.png)

Zoom in:
(https://alwaysphotographing.s3.amazonaws.com/B0000724-Closeup.png)

And here is the 3FR file
https://alwaysphotographing.s3.amazonaws.com/B0000724.3FR (https://alwaysphotographing.s3.amazonaws.com/B0000724.3FR)
Title: Re: Soft focus with X2D and XCD 35-75mm Zoom.
Post by: satijntje on September 09, 2023, 03:28:53 AM
I think you need a sensor cleaning :-)
Title: Re: Soft focus with X2D and XCD 35-75mm Zoom.
Post by: AlwaysRichard on September 09, 2023, 08:34:08 AM
Quote from: satijntje on September 09, 2023, 03:28:53 AM
I think you need a sensor cleaning :-)

What is it a dust magnet? The camera is brand-new less then a week since I up boxed it.
Title: Re: Soft focus with X2D and XCD 35-75mm Zoom.
Post by: PeoOrvendal on September 09, 2023, 10:15:18 AM
You do have a pretty big sensor dust spot in the middle of the frame, slightly left of center.  Odd that it shows up that distinctly at f/11.

I have the same camera and lens combo, and no such focus/shadow issues. I'll see if I can take a similar photo and upload. To me, it looks like motion blur. Did you shoot this with a self timer or remote trigger?
Title: Re: Soft focus with X2D and XCD 35-75mm Zoom.
Post by: AlwaysRichard on September 09, 2023, 10:47:18 AM
Quote from: PeoOrvendal on September 09, 2023, 10:15:18 AM
You do have a pretty big sensor dust spot in the middle of the frame, slightly left of center.  Odd that it shows up that distinctly at f/11.

I have the same camera and lens combo, and no such focus/shadow issues. I'll see if I can take a similar photo and upload. To me, it looks like motion blur. Did you shoot this with a self timer or remote trigger?

Yeah, I did notice that spot.

I tried shooting (camera on tripod, stabilization off, 2s timer) and (camera on tripod, stabilization off, Phocus remote on iPhone) get pretty much the same thing.

I do notice that shooting in direct sunlight soft focus is worse...

Left (in shade) Right (in sunlight)
(https://alwaysphotographing.s3.amazonaws.com/Screenshot+2023-09-08+at+5.39.27+PM.png)

But even the one on the left is not what I would expect from this camera / lens combo!

Both taken iso-64, f/8, shutter to expose, zoomed to 75mm, on tripod, stabilization off, about 10' from baseball.
Title: Re: Soft focus with X2D and XCD 35-75mm Zoom.
Post by: o2mpx on September 09, 2023, 03:29:29 PM
Perhaps unrelated but had similar experience after acquiring the 120mm and left shutter at electronic from using a prior 3rd party lens.
Title: Re: Soft focus with X2D and XCD 35-75mm Zoom.
Post by: flash on September 09, 2023, 06:43:33 PM
No, my X2D and 35-75 do not exhibit this behaviour, unless I use IBIS while on a tripod. Indoors. Outdoors. Straight into the sun. Whatever, the 35-75 is stellar. I'd have it looked into.

Have you tried shooting without a tripod and IBIS on to see if it's the same. You don't need a tripod for these exposures.

Gordon
Title: Re: Soft focus with X2D and XCD 35-75mm Zoom.
Post by: AlwaysRichard on September 10, 2023, 01:12:35 PM
I think I figured it out, the leaf shutter on the XCD 35-75mm lens is defective.

Here is some shots of the brick-wall mural with 400% closeup's. On the left is using the XCD lens leaf shutter, them on the right, immediately taking the second photo with electronic shutter turned on.

(https://alwaysphotographing.s3.amazonaws.com/Marty*B-Full.png)

(https://alwaysphotographing.s3.amazonaws.com/Marty*B-NormalElectronicShutter.png)

and on the other side of the building

(https://alwaysphotographing.s3.amazonaws.com/Marty*B-Western-Full.png)

(https://alwaysphotographing.s3.amazonaws.com/Marty*B-Western-ShutterElectronic.png)

Thanks for everyone's input!


Title: Re: Soft focus with X2D and XCD 35-75mm Zoom.
Post by: Eric Borgström on September 10, 2023, 07:42:27 PM
Interesting finding. So not due to image stabilisation on. Rather defect leaf shutter on your XCD Zoom.

I have the same camera lens combination and can not duplicate the issue.

/Eric
Title: Re: Soft focus with X2D and XCD 35-75mm Zoom.
Post by: AlwaysRichard on September 10, 2023, 10:54:20 PM
Quote from: Eric Borgström on September 10, 2023, 07:42:27 PM
Interesting finding. So not due to image stabilisation on. Rather defect leaf shutter on your XCD Zoom.

I tried on tripod image stabilisation off, and hand-held image stabilisation on. Same result (image sharp when shooting with the electronic shutter).

The brick-wall coffee mural was hand-held.
Title: Re: Soft focus with X2D and XCD 35-75mm Zoom.
Post by: Eric Borgström on September 11, 2023, 12:00:09 AM
I hope you can have the defect shutter replaced without to much hassel. I have on several occasions had good service from headquarter in Göteborg. Sometimes for free.

/Eric
Title: Re: Soft focus with X2D and XCD 35-75mm Zoom.
Post by: JoeC on October 23, 2023, 05:23:22 AM
Quote from: AlwaysRichard on September 10, 2023, 01:12:35 PM
I think I figured it out, the leaf shutter on the XCD 35-75mm lens is defective.

I now have had the exact same problem with my XCD 35-75mm lens. Tack sharp when used with electronic shutter. Jittery/unsharp images when using leaf shutter. It'll go to Hasselblad for service next week. I'd be interested in any repair experience you've had with the lens. Thanks.

Joe
Title: Re: Soft focus with X2D and XCD 35-75mm Zoom.
Post by: Domip on March 27, 2024, 01:00:35 AM
Quote from: JoeC on October 23, 2023, 05:23:22 AM
Quote from: AlwaysRichard on September 10, 2023, 01:12:35 PMI think I figured it out, the leaf shutter on the XCD 35-75mm lens is defective.

I now have had the exact same problem with my XCD 35-75mm lens. Tack sharp when used with electronic shutter. Jittery/unsharp images when using leaf shutter. It'll go to Hasselblad for service next week. I'd be interested in any repair experience you've had with the lens. Thanks.

Joe

Hi Joe, how did it go? Is it solved?
Title: Re: Soft focus with X2D and XCD 35-75mm Zoom.
Post by: Domip on March 29, 2024, 07:59:18 PM
Quote from: AlwaysRichard on September 10, 2023, 10:54:20 PM
Quote from: Eric Borgström on September 10, 2023, 07:42:27 PMInteresting finding. So not due to image stabilisation on. Rather defect leaf shutter on your XCD Zoom.

I tried on tripod image stabilisation off, and hand-held image stabilisation on. Same result (image sharp when shooting with the electronic shutter).

The brick-wall coffee mural was hand-held.

Here the same conclusion... Only sharp with electronic shutter ON with the X2D-100c. Don't recall having this with X1D II  ::)


Title: Re: Soft focus with X2D and XCD 35-75mm Zoom.
Post by: Nicci on April 30, 2024, 10:36:54 AM
Same issue here. Just used the zoom for shooting some casual landscapes while hiking (no tripod) and 90% of the images are blurry (if only slightly). This did not happen with the X1D II.
Title: Re: Soft focus with X2D and XCD 35-75mm Zoom.
Post by: JoeC on May 01, 2024, 02:31:52 AM
Quote from: Domip on March 27, 2024, 01:00:35 AM
Quote from: JoeC on October 23, 2023, 05:23:22 AM
Quote from: AlwaysRichard on September 10, 2023, 01:12:35 PMI think I figured it out, the leaf shutter on the XCD 35-75mm lens is defective.

I now have had the exact same problem with my XCD 35-75mm lens. Tack sharp when used with electronic shutter. Jittery/unsharp images when using leaf shutter. It'll go to Hasselblad for service next week. I'd be interested in any repair experience you've had with the lens. Thanks.

Joe

Hi Joe, how did it go? Is it solved?

I sent the lens to Hasselblad for examination and repair. They concluded that the lens was within specs and sent it back to me. I subsequently sold the lens.

Joe
Title: Re: Soft focus with X2D and XCD 35-75mm Zoom.
Post by: Nicci on May 01, 2024, 06:22:28 AM
Quote from: JoeC on May 01, 2024, 02:31:52 AM
Quote from: Domip on March 27, 2024, 01:00:35 AM
Quote from: JoeC on October 23, 2023, 05:23:22 AM
Quote from: AlwaysRichard on September 10, 2023, 01:12:35 PMI think I figured it out, the leaf shutter on the XCD 35-75mm lens is defective.

I now have had the exact same problem with my XCD 35-75mm lens. Tack sharp when used with electronic shutter. Jittery/unsharp images when using leaf shutter. It'll go to Hasselblad for service next week. I'd be interested in any repair experience you've had with the lens. Thanks.

Joe

Hi Joe, how did it go? Is it solved?

I sent the lens to Hasselblad for examination and repair. They concluded that the lens was within specs and sent it back to me. I subsequently sold the lens.

Joe

I've tested the zoom today with the X1DII, and dispite what I wrote in my previous post, the images are also blurry. It's less obvious (due to the lower resolution) but clearly visible when zoomed in. When using the electronic shutter images are sharp and micro contrast is more defined.
It has to be the leaf shutter.
I'll get the zoom to my local dealer later this week and have her deal with Hasselblad customer support. I hope I have more luck than Joe. So far my experience with HB Europe (Sweden directly) has been quite good. That is without taking the three month it took them to repair the lens hood of my 135mm, into account.
How hard can it be to send a couple of missing screws?