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Quote from: SrMi on May 08, 2024, 09:58:24 AM

Quote from: o2mpx on May 08, 2024, 08:50:19 AMWas surprised to see the announcement this morning and almost ordered one, despite having the 21mm and 28p. But upon checking, the 21mm is 600g vs new 25mm at 592g? Plus the MTF's aren't overwhelmingly better, and FOV less wide for my landscapes, where the wider aperture also isn't critical with most being shot at F8; so GAS subsided and will stick with the 21mm; when light weight is needed, have the 28p at 245g for the bag; so will stick with the 2 lenses for now.

Really puzzled by HB's strategy. Good to make new lenses, but they should be materially improved over the legacy, or provide key motivation to switch. The 25v doesn't weigh materially lighter, nor perform much better, providing less FOV, albeit the programmable button is a good feature, not sure it's compelling enough for existing legacy lens owners; perhaps new owners is the audience if they can't buy the original 21mm.

Ted Forbes claims that 25v is optically better than 21 (distortion, sharpness, vignetting). I have not watched his full review, nor have I any experience with 25v yet:
https://youtu.be/hz-1Ea5959A?si=N7yk8FiSxcp-uPiK

I questioned Ted Forbes' claim about the 25v being optically superior to the 21 in the comments to his video. No response (yet). Sometimes I suspect the YouTube reviewers who get this gear for reviews can go a little overboard on the praise of the latest gear, but I am happy to be proven wrong. As a 21mm owner, I plan to keep it, but if the 25v is shown to be optically superior (especially re: sharpness), I would consider adding it to the bag. 

I agree with this comment that it is hard to imagine the 25V being optically superior to the 21mm. The 21mm is just that good in the middle and at the corners throughout a reasonable range of apertures.  Now, the one area where the 25V might shine is astrophotography. All this said, I am enthusiastic about seeing the findings of someone on the forum who now owns both and is willing to do some side-by-side testing.

It is hard to take the YouTubers seriously. They are reviewing a lens that has no software correction available in either Phocus or LR. Without a profile, it is impossible to compare this new lens to the previous generation. Lens correction in Phocus and/or in LR just does too much–as it should. They are getting all wound up over the cool new features like the focus clutch and/or the programable ring. I get they need thumbs up clicks and subscribers. But, it is hard to maintain any sense of credibility when the core of their content is hype over something just being new and they presume better.

My experience with the V lenses to this point is that they just aren't optically equivalent to the original series. Faster yes, programable yes, lighter yes. Someone, please put the 25V and the 21mm together and prove me wrong...

By the way, this is a great review that ticks all the boxes about how great the 21mm is. Worth a read if for no other reason than to illustrate how garbage the YouTube reviews are.
https://www.vieribottazzini.com/2019/07/hasselblad-xcd-21mm-f-4-in-depth-review.html

I don't know where or how the 21mm could be optically improved. I don't know of any other super wide angle with such optical performance. Compared to the new 25mm, the 21mm is still quite a bit wider. The more extreme the wide angle, the more complex the construction effort.

Regarding AF-C, pay attention to the statement of the Hasselblad representative from about a year ago during a trade fair from 2:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=Cc_tt2_FXGs

Quote from: SrMi on May 08, 2024, 09:58:24 AM

Quote from: o2mpx on May 08, 2024, 08:50:19 AMWas surprised to see the announcement this morning and almost ordered one, despite having the 21mm and 28p. But upon checking, the 21mm is 600g vs new 25mm at 592g? Plus the MTF's aren't overwhelmingly better, and FOV less wide for my landscapes, where the wider aperture also isn't critical with most being shot at F8; so GAS subsided and will stick with the 21mm; when light weight is needed, have the 28p at 245g for the bag; so will stick with the 2 lenses for now.

Really puzzled by HB's strategy. Good to make new lenses, but they should be materially improved over the legacy, or provide key motivation to switch. The 25v doesn't weigh materially lighter, nor perform much better, providing less FOV, albeit the programmable button is a good feature, not sure it's compelling enough for existing legacy lens owners; perhaps new owners is the audience if they can't buy the original 21mm.

Ted Forbes claims that 25v is optically better than 21 (distortion, sharpness, vignetting). I have not watched his full review, nor have I any experience with 25v yet:
https://youtu.be/hz-1Ea5959A?si=N7yk8FiSxcp-uPiK

I questioned Ted Forbes' claim about the 25v being optically superior to the 21 in the comments to his video. No response (yet). Sometimes I suspect the YouTube reviewers who get this gear for reviews can go a little overboard on the praise of the latest gear, but I am happy to be proven wrong. As a 21mm owner, I plan to keep it, but if the 25v is shown to be optically superior (especially re: sharpness), I would consider adding it to the bag. 

Quote from: Gsmith on May 09, 2024, 02:58:24 PM

Quote from: fcarucci on May 09, 2024, 08:22:52 AMAvailable on BHPhoto now. Please, stop me.

Ordered the 25mm f/2.5V B&H yesterday and is to arrive FedEx tomorrow! I will make some non-scientific comparisons this weekend against my XCD lenses which include the discontinued 21MM f/4, 30mm f/3.5, 38mm f/2.5, and the 35-75mm f/3.5-4.5 which is on my X2D most of the time. Cheers

Looking forward to your comparisons, in particular to the 21mm

All X cameras can show shutter actuations of all XCD lenses

and even adapted H lenses

X cameras can even update firmware of adapted H lenses.

Yes Hasselblad dropped it on the last V system models:
903SWC, 905SWC, 2003FCW and following, 555ELD, 503CXi, 503CW, 503CWD, 501C, 501CM

I noticed your "for sale" post in the classifieds, Marc. Are you planning on moving away from the Hasselblad X system?
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I am Ian yes...whilst it is a very good to camera to use, and perfect in many ways, my needs are slightly wider than before as my projects change so I am having to move to another system. I will certainly miss working with it.

I have two arriving tomorrow, one from B&H and one from Hasselblad's online store. I don't need both. Before I return one of them, if anybody wants one, just let me know.

Joe
joe.colson@me.com

Quote from: marcwilson on May 09, 2024, 05:31:34 AMdidn't think the 1dxII does this...it does...you genius ...thank you

I noticed your "for sale" post in the classifieds, Marc. Are you planning on moving away from the Hasselblad X system?