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Title: H6D
Post by: NickT on April 08, 2016, 06:28:40 PM
I'm pretty excited.. Hasselblad is back:

Title: Re: H6d
Post by: NickT on April 08, 2016, 06:36:23 PM
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: NickT on April 09, 2016, 11:35:56 AM
Some pictures for you:
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: NickT on April 09, 2016, 12:42:48 PM
Here's some info from Hasselblad's product manager:

Can you tell us more about the new H6D?
We have completely redesigned the electronic hardware in the sensor unit of the camera because we have added USB 3, a full touch-screen, Wi-Fi on all models, support for the new 100mp sensor, video recording up to 4K. That puts some really tough requirements on the hardware, and firmware, which has been re-designed from the ground up giving a much more responsive camera, it's much faster,

We have dual cards, SD card for compatibility, and CFast (not CF) because we need the speed, we can write up to 400mb/s required for 4K video. RAW files are 60 megabytes from the H6D-50c, and around 120 megabytes from the H6D-100c. 4K video is recorded at UHD resolution, at 25fps, but we are looking at increasing the number of frame rate options, for example, 24fps, 30fps for the US market.

We are using a Sony sensor, and we are able to get 15 stops of dynamic range from the sensor, which is very promising, to be able to get great highlight and shadow detail. We are also able to get over 560 shots from the H6D compared to 350 shots with the H5D, so we have increased the battery life mainly due to the new hardware.

The touch interface on the H6D is very quick to use, and you can change settings without having to go into the menus, using the control screen, which you can swipe down from the top in any mode. The touch-screen is designed to work in photo and playback modes, making it intuitive to use. We have both the touch-screen, and buttons to control the camera, which gives the user the choice.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: NickT on April 09, 2016, 03:42:08 PM
And an informative blog post here:

https://blog.mingthein.com/2016/04/07/hasselblad-h6d-announcement/
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: Ralf Mueller on April 09, 2016, 09:56:49 PM
Really nice to see that Hasselblad is back, not just with some cosmetic change in the H but a complete overhaul of the system, really didn't expect so many things to happen at a time.

Nick, any statement about the upgradeability of old lenses with a new shutter ? I hear competing statements here. Just came back
from my Hasselblad dealer and he said its NOT possible, others say an upgrade is possible. I haven't found anything on the
Hasselblad web site. A clear statement (with price) from HB would be really good.

Anyway, can't wait to get my hands on one.

Best Regards,
Ralf
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: cerett on April 10, 2016, 11:45:39 AM
Anything with regards to weather sealing? Forgive my ignorance, but can all types of CF cards continue to be used in that slot?
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: NickT on April 10, 2016, 12:36:30 PM
I haven't seen anything about weather sealing.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: NickT on April 10, 2016, 12:40:00 PM
The H6D takes CFast cards. Although these have the same form factor as CF cards they are completely different and not interchangeable.

As the name suggests they are MUCH faster than CF cards and are needed to handle the huge amount of data that is 4K video.

Fast cards are expensive at the moment but prices are dropping. You should be able to just shoot to SD cards if you are not doing video though I imagine that will impact frame rates.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: cerett on April 13, 2016, 06:32:05 AM
Does anyone know for certain what the warranty is on the H6D? I heard it was three years, but then heard that this was only for the new lenses purchased before September.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: NickT on April 13, 2016, 09:44:20 AM
This is from Hasselblad:

Standard Warranty
The Hasselblad H6D and lenses are supplied with a 24 month warranty (or 100,000 exposures, whichever comes first). However, if you register your camera within 6 months of launch, we will give you an extra 12 months absolutely free.
How to claim the additional warranty
To claim the additional 12 months warranty you will need the original purchase receipt (for the date and place of purchase), the serial numbers for the new camera and lenses. The following procedure must be followed:
1. Visit www.hasselblad.com and click the SIGN IN option.
2. If you do not have a Hasselblad account you will need
to create an account before you are able to register your equipment.
3. Once signed in, select the EDIT PROFILE option.
4. You will now be able to register the new product. Once you register the camera the system will check the purchase
date against our records and issue the additional warranty
to the camera. A confirmation e-mail of this will be sent to the registered users e-mail address.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: cerett on April 13, 2016, 10:02:25 AM
Thanks Nick. I'm very impressed! That is a very generous warranty.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: NickT on April 14, 2016, 07:05:19 PM
http://www.wired.com/2016/04/hasselblad-h6d-medium-format-camera/

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/6199508562/hands-on-with-the-hasselblad-h6d-50c-1ooc
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: Giorgio on April 17, 2016, 04:29:34 AM
Great, now I'll never sell my H4D.
Trade in time has arrived...
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: Buddy on April 17, 2016, 08:53:53 PM
a question regarding the trade in program:

are all older H cameras which are listed under the official program tradable independent how they were originally purchased? I mean if I have an H5D which was bought from the official dealer last year under one of the special price package?
thanks for suggestions!
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: NickT on April 18, 2016, 07:16:30 AM
My understanding is that it doesn't matter where the trade-ins were purchased.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: cerett on April 18, 2016, 07:22:16 AM
That is correct according to my dealer. They will need all of the serial numbers to put the paper work through.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: ChrisL on April 23, 2016, 07:58:12 PM
Quote from: Giorgio on April 17, 2016, 04:29:34 AM
Great, now I'll never sell my H4D.
Trade in time has arrived...
Indeed and the trade in has placed a generous floor to the price should you wish to just sell elsewhere.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: NickT on April 24, 2016, 10:00:02 AM
Youtube movie showing H6D touch screen interface:

Title: Re: H6D
Post by: cerett on April 29, 2016, 01:07:13 PM
Just read this on another forum:

Status of Sony Group Manufacturing Operations Affected by 2016 Kumamoto Earthquakes (Third Update)

Due to the earthquake of April 14, 2016 and subsequent earthquakes in the Kumamoto region, operations at Sony Semiconductor Manufacturing Corporation's Kumamoto Technology Center (located in Kikuchi Gun, Kumamoto Prefecture), which is the primary manufacturing site of image sensors for digital cameras and security cameras as well as micro-display devices, were halted and currently remain suspended. With aftershocks continuing and employee safety the foremost priority, inspections of the facility and the development of a recovery plan remain ongoing. The current status of operations for the Kumamoto Technology Center is as follows:
Damage to the building itself has been confirmed to be primarily to the upper layer of the building, and reinforcement work will be carried out in this area.
The clean rooms used for wafer processing and manufacturing equipment, both located on the lower layer of the building have not been significantly damaged, and preparations are now underway to resume production. Manufacturing operations are targeted to resume around the end of May 2016.
Regarding back-end processes, such as assembly and measurement, as well as processing operations for components such as camera modules, which are carried out on the upper layer of the building, Sony has confirmed that there is damage to the clean rooms, manufacturing equipment and other equipment. Further analysis of the extent of this damage is currently underway.
Damage to finished product inventory such as image sensors at Kumamoto Technology Center is limited, and shipments of these products have already resumed. The status of semi-finished and uncompleted products is currently being confirmed.
The impact of the earthquakes on Sony Corporation's ("Sony") consolidated results continues to be evaluated. In the Devices segment, there is expected to be direct physical damage to Kumamoto Technology Center. Sony expects to incur expenses primarily for recovery and reinforcement work in response to the physical damage to the relevant portion of the Kumamoto Technology Center. Sony may also incur large opportunity losses, mainly in the Devices and Imaging Products & Solutions segments due to suspension of production for a certain period of time.

In addition, due to the suspension of manufacturing operations at Kumamoto Technology Center and potential disruption to the supply of components to Sony from certain third-party suppliers that also have manufacturing facilities in the Kumamoto region, it is possible that business operations within the Mobile Communications, Game & Network Services and Home Entertainment & Sound segments also may be affected. This potential impact is currently being evaluated."

Any word from Hasselblad re H6D delays, especially the H6D - 100?
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: cerett on May 04, 2016, 05:25:01 PM
Any news as yet from Hasselblad?
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: NickT on May 04, 2016, 05:26:42 PM
From what I hear, there will be delays on some orders. Hasselblad (and everyone else) are waiting to hear when Sony will resume production.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: cerett on May 04, 2016, 05:33:41 PM
Okay, thank you. A bit anxious to get my hands on an H6D-100c.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: raffa on May 05, 2016, 09:35:07 AM
got my hands on a H6D-50 today for a quick test.
I'm so tempted by the trade-in... the price for my H4D is very good.
I will probably have to test it again with more time, to see if I like the lowest ISO compared to the H4D, and of course the new and higher ISOs.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: NickT on May 05, 2016, 09:46:47 AM
Jealous!
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: bdp on May 05, 2016, 11:42:52 PM
Cool, looks amazing. How fast was the tethering compared to your H4?

Ben
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: pflower on May 06, 2016, 07:11:57 AM
I had 1/2 hour with an H6d-50c this afternoon at the Pro Centre.  My H3d-39 is getting old and a bit flaky and I had gone in to look at upgrading to an H5d-50c since the price had dropped dramatically.  My only experience with digital hasselblads has been the H3D.  However I found myself with an H6d and a 50mm and 35mm lenses.  Initial impressions - in terms of build quality chalk and cheese.  This is so much more solid and stable than the h3d.  It feels significantly lighter although I don't actually think it is and it may be that it is just much better balanced.  Much, much quieter - gone is heavy mirror slap of the H3D (or the V cameras) - sounds more like my A7ii.  The screen does what it is supposed to do - it shows the capture.  Even in really bright sunshine I could clearly see the (fantastically boring) shots of the exterior of the Pro Centre that I made and zoom in to check focus.  Really responsive in all aspects  (AF in bright sunshine almost instantaneous and not perceptibly worse in less well lit interiors - no scientific analysis just that it seems on 1/2 hour experience to work) and the move for all the functions of the camera from the lcd on top of the grip to the back seems like a hugely sensible idea - although it confused the person showing it to me since he clearly hadn't had the introductory lecture/tuition.

Possible early software glitch?  We got it into Aperture Priority mode but for some reason it wouldn't adjust the shutter speed to match the aperture and wouldn't increase the shutter speed over about 1/3s.  But after the first wildly overexposed shot it suddenly started to behave as one would expect and the subsequent shots were all well exposed (can't remember what the metering mode was so user error cannot be ruled out but is unlikely).  But in really strong sunlight and with no exposure compensation (purely on A mode) everything was well exposed with no clipping at either end of the histogram.

I did some shots at iso 1600 - in the underexposed shadow areas there is noise but it is nothing alarming (more like film grain- i.e no weird colour mosaics) and a modest adjustment of noise reduction in Lightroom smooths that out.  Initial thoughts - could use this at 1600 if I didn't want perfectly clean plastic looking files.  Didn't try anything higher.

So.  Apparently my H3d-39 is virtually worthless as a part exchange but worth in excess of £5k as a trade up to the H6.  My one concern is the crop factor.  The H3D has a crop factor of 1.1 - so for most of my work I have been happy with the HC 80mm and a 50mm CFi with the CF adapter.  But I am now seduced by autofocus, so I can see the temptation of the H6-50 plus an HC 50mm which then leaves open the question of a wider lens.  Much more money than I had intended on investing.

I am going to try and forget about this for a few weeks but my gut instinct is to grab my H3D and credit card and rush back to Hoxton.  Before spending anything I will rent for a weekend and really put it through its paces, but it is a seriously sexy piece of camera - which is absolutely not the point but still seductive.

Incidentally the Pro Centre told me that these are now shipping and deliveries are being made (in what quantities I cannot say) and that is purely what I was told.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: NickT on May 06, 2016, 08:37:42 AM
Quote from: pflower on May 06, 2016, 07:11:57 AM
I had 1/2 hour with an H6d-50c this afternoon at the Pro Centre.

Thanks so much for sharing, really good to hear your impressions.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: DJPixelMan on May 06, 2016, 08:50:20 PM
A couple of observations on my H6D-50:

1: Why has the colour coded Acceptance level been removed? That was really useful as a coarse check.
2: Why has white balance measure been removed? Not all of us shoot tethered, and I really like to set my WB at the time of the scene shoot, not later in Phocus when I may have forgotten that something changed light wise. Please can we have it back.
3 :Why is WiFi only for Apple stuff? I don't want to use Apple, I prefer Android. Will Android be ignored, or are Hasselblad saying that my very expensive camera will only have limited facilities unless I change to a tablet brand that I detest?
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: NickT on May 06, 2016, 11:57:15 PM
I'm sorry that you "detest" apple. (Strong words for a new member I might add. Nearly 90% of users on this site use Apple so you can see why it would be a priority, I'll find out what the status of Android devices is.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: DJPixelMan on May 07, 2016, 03:29:24 AM
"I'm sorry that you "detest" apple."

Sorry to offend. It's a long story, which I certainly won't bore you with.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: NickT on May 07, 2016, 09:13:54 AM
It's fine. This forum is a bit different from the many out there in that many of us have been chatting away since 2001 and we are ever so polite :) I'm always a bit cautious with new members who like to wade in on their first post. Hope you understand.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: DJPixelMan on May 09, 2016, 05:42:46 PM
Thanks Nick..I wasn't intending to come off as rude.  :)
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Post by: NickT on May 09, 2016, 05:43:28 PM
See? Politeness rules again :) Thank you.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: Paul Claesson on May 10, 2016, 06:41:11 AM
DJPixelMan

1: Why has the colour coded Acceptance level been removed? That was really useful as a coarse check.
IAA (Instant Approval Architecture) was removed in the H5D and the P1 and P2 (Programmable) buttons added. The H6D has an Image rating button on the back, which will allow you to Rate images 1-5 stars or green/yellow/red.  This function will be added future firmware release.

2: Why has white balance measure been removed? Not all of us shoot tethered, and I really like to set my WB at the time of the scene shoot, not later in Phocus when I may have forgotten that something changed light wise. Please can we have it back.
The function "Gray balance exposure" will be included in a future firmware release. I too find this very useful when working in the field.

3 :Why is WiFi only for Apple stuff? I don't want to use Apple, I prefer Android. Will Android be ignored, or are Hasselblad saying that my very expensive camera will only have limited facilities unless I change to a tablet brand that I detest?
Hasselblad has focused on the iOS version, due to the large user base. If i may suggest starting a thread on this forum specific to this request for Android users and we can see what the interest level is.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: NickT on May 19, 2016, 08:22:24 AM
Quote from: cerett on April 29, 2016, 01:07:13 PM


Any word from Hasselblad re H6D delays, especially the H6D - 100?


Just an update on Sony:

http://www.digitaltrends.com/photography/sony-sensor-production-resume/
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: NickT on May 25, 2016, 11:14:23 AM
Another H6D video:

Title: Re: H6D
Post by: davidthescot on May 26, 2016, 05:26:08 AM
Well I have had my H6D-50 for five days now and I have to confess to mixed feelings about sending off my solid and reliable H4D-50 to do the upgrade.  Having gone through a path which started with an H3D-31, H3d39, H3D39M2, H4D50, H4D60 and back to a 50 (don't ask) I only upgraded because of the need for live view. 

I have been using two systems - Nikon and Hasselblad - the former when I thought I needed portability (ha ha) and the latter when that was not an issue except for one thing.  Live view became indispensable IMO for some things - food photography for example - and the potential availability of live view on my H was the clincher.  I am not talking about pseudo live view but proper tethered live view.  It hasn't happened yet but it is coming soon I hope.

What do I like about the new camera.  The shutter (quieter and less clunky), tethering (so much more solid), the user interface on the camera inc. the touch screen (so much easier), wifi (instant focus confirmation on an iPad), the touch screen and in particular the one tap to 100% for focus confirmation, and it it just feels right.

What don't I like (or rather what are the in the process of sorting out).  No live view on a tethered computer or iPad; no wifi to a laptop (only to IOS devices), tethering still by cable, it eats batteries, and the sensor body gets very hot (like the original HD3). 

I really look forward to the new firmware release which I am told will solve many of these problems.

Burned boats means that the Nikon kit is already sold on Ebay (to finance the upgrade)

Title: Re: H6D
Post by: bdp on May 26, 2016, 07:41:59 AM
Hi David,

I have similar feelings to you but I am optimistic that things will improve for us early adopters.

I have been told that the battery charge/power over USB thing will be sorted with a new cable, but I bought a generic USB-C to USB A cable because I'm impatient and it still doesn't supply power to the camera. This must be coming in the firmware upgrade.

Also live video is definitely coming very soon. Can't wait for that.

The things I'm a little disappointed with is that I find the colour from the camera quite different to the old CCD backs. I've mentioned this to my dealer but so far no response from HB if they are aware of this and/or if it will be improved. Also the screen on the camera really needs the ability to have it's WB tweaked - mine is so warm.

On the plus side is the incredible reliability of the tethering - not one dropped connection or crash all week. Was hoping it would be a little faster though.

I'm sure things will only improve.

Ben
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: DBF on May 26, 2016, 06:15:06 PM
I have tried the H650 and compared the Pictures to those, I made with my H3DII50.
I was really disappointed from the Colors the H6 made.
I don`t wont to have the H6  - not even, if I would get it for free.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: davidthescot on May 26, 2016, 06:25:46 PM
Quote from: bdp on May 26, 2016, 07:41:59 AM
Hi David,

I have similar feelings to you but I am optimistic that things will improve for us early adopters.

I have been told that the battery charge/power over USB thing will be sorted with a new cable, but I bought a generic USB-C to USB A cable because I'm impatient and it still doesn't supply power to the camera. This must be coming in the firmware upgrade.

Also live video is definitely coming very soon. Can't wait for that.

The things I'm a little disappointed with is that I find the colour from the camera quite different to the old CCD backs. I've mentioned this to my dealer but so far no response from HB if they are aware of this and/or if it will be improved. Also the screen on the camera really needs the ability to have it's WB tweaked - mine is so warm.

On the plus side is the incredible reliability of the tethering - not one dropped connection or crash all week. Was hoping it would be a little faster though.

I'm sure things will only improve.

Ben

I agree with you in that the colour rendering is different and that is a function of the conversion algorithm and the change from CCD to CMOS.  I don't think that this is better or worse just different and a factor to get used to and adjust through the raw conversion process. Let's not forget that the sensor is not seeing in colour but merely just reporting luminance values per pixel and it is the software that gives us a coloured result.  I feel sure that Hasselblad will be striving to ensure that the output is at least as good as the CCD cameras.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: bdp on May 26, 2016, 06:52:20 PM
Quote from: davidthescot on May 26, 2016, 06:25:46 PM

I agree with you in that the colour rendering is different and that is a function of the conversion algorithm and the change from CCD to CMOS.  I don't think that this is better or worse just different and a factor to get used to and adjust through the raw conversion process. Let's not forget that the sensor is not seeing in colour but merely just reporting luminance values per pixel and it is the software that gives us a coloured result.  I feel sure that Hasselblad will be striving to ensure that the output is at least as good as the CCD cameras.

I certainly hope they do improve the colour, but I fear that now the camera is shipping that is it. Also, they have had this sensor in the H5D-50c for ages, so I would have thought that the profile was sorted with that camera and just used for the H6.

Ben
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: DBF on May 26, 2016, 07:04:44 PM
I had also the Phase One XF with the 50 MPix Back with me - it has the same Sensor as H650? - the Colors are better, but not good.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: davidthescot on May 27, 2016, 06:56:32 AM
Quote from: bdp on May 26, 2016, 06:52:20 PM
Quote from: davidthescot on May 26, 2016, 06:25:46 PM

I agree with you in that the colour rendering is different and that is a function of the conversion algorithm and the change from CCD to CMOS.  I don't think that this is better or worse just different and a factor to get used to and adjust through the raw conversion process. Let's not forget that the sensor is not seeing in colour but merely just reporting luminance values per pixel and it is the software that gives us a coloured result.  I feel sure that Hasselblad will be striving to ensure that the output is at least as good as the CCD cameras.

I certainly hope they do improve the colour, but I fear that now the camera is shipping that is it. Also, they have had this sensor in the H5D-50c for ages, so I would have thought that the profile was sorted with that camera and just used for the H6.

Ben

Ben

I have been playing around with the various settings and using different raw converters.  It is clear that there are a wide variety of ways that the image can be rendered with a further huge range of adjustments which can be made.  So far I have to say that the images are very consistent with the quality I was getting from my H4D-50 once some work is done.  That work may actually be just getting the right presets and settings for the initial import into Phocus and then deciding whether to use Lightroom or Phocus for the conversions.  My preferred procedure is to import using Phocus to get the benefit of the lens corrections etc and then use Lightroom to convert and output the raw files.  The adjustment in the Phocus import drop down menu produces a variety of different looks.  I have just tried the nature look which seems to offer a more saturated palette.

As I said earlier it is just different and perhaps the "out of the box" colour may not be what some people expected or like.

Just saying.....
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: jerome_m on May 27, 2016, 09:20:58 AM
Testing the colours should be relatively simple. Take a H4D-40 and an H6D-50 (for example). Point the two cameras at the same thing, under various lights (for example: outside, by sunlight and under clouds). Compare the images.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: bdp on May 27, 2016, 11:19:55 AM
Quote from: jerome_m on May 27, 2016, 09:20:58 AM
Testing the colours should be relatively simple. Take a H4D-40 and an H6D-50 (for example). Point the two cameras at the same thing, under various lights (for example: outside, by sunlight and under clouds). Compare the images.

I've done exactly that.

The H6D-50 colours were noticeably different. So I adjusted the WB and tint to try to match the H5D-40 and it was not possible. Endless tweaking of the individual R, G and B curves got it close, but not the same.

I don't understand why it is different. Doesn't Hasselblad just shoot a test chart when they have a new chip and make sure each colour on the test chart displays the colour they want, then bake in the profile? What happened to the 'Natural Colour Solution'?

Ben
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: DBF on May 27, 2016, 07:26:53 PM
I found this statement on the Phase One Site "CCD and CMOS possiblities":

With image quality, flexibility and professional choice being a priority at Phase One, we continue to ensure that the right tool is available for the right job.  The IQ3 Camera Systems provide options for CCD sensor technology or CMOS sensor technology.  If unmatched tonal subtlety and detail retention is a must, the IQ3 60MP and IQ3 80MP are a perfect fit.  If ISO flexibility and Live View workflow are needed, the IQ3 50MP and IQ3 100MP are at your disposal.

Title: Re: H6D
Post by: davidthescot on May 27, 2016, 08:14:36 PM
Quote from: bdp on May 27, 2016, 11:19:55 AM
Quote from: jerome_m on May 27, 2016, 09:20:58 AM
Testing the colours should be relatively simple. Take a H4D-40 and an H6D-50 (for example). Point the two cameras at the same thing, under various lights (for example: outside, by sunlight and under clouds). Compare the images.

I've done exactly that.

The H6D-50 colours were noticeably different. So I adjusted the WB and tint to try to match the H5D-40 and it was not possible. Endless tweaking of the individual R, G and B curves got it close, but not the same.

I don't understand why it is different. Doesn't Hasselblad just shoot a test chart when they have a new chip and make sure each colour on the test chart displays the colour they want, then bake in the profile? What happened to the 'Natural Colour Solution'?

Ben

Ben

What workflow are you using?  Is it all through Phocus and then using Photoshop?

I have tried the colour calibration tools in Phocus and cannot achieve a sensible result.  I have found however that careful management of the exposure before setting the white balance produces a nice result (to my eyes that is).  I found on my Sony A7Rm2 that it was critical to get the exposure right in camera and in the raw converter before setting the white balance was important.   

I have also found that some additional sharpening may be required with these sensors.

Having said all of that and even if the colours were not quite the same I would happily trade that for the utility of live view.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: bdp on May 27, 2016, 08:32:49 PM
Hi David,

I use Phocus exclusively.

I have had better results today by creating my own calibration with a Macbeth chart and shooting/processing in Reproduction Mode. Something I've never had to do with previous Hasselblads, but maybe that's what is necessary with this one.

Preliminary results look promising, but I'll have to do further comparisons.

Ben

PS Yes the Live Video is pretty awesome.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: Buddy on June 09, 2016, 09:45:01 PM
can someone with actual experiences of the H5 and H6 makes a statement about the focus accuracy and focus speed? Is this noticeably better with the new body? and is also True Focus faster? I am asking this, because I have some issues with True Focus in a H5 body especially under non optimal lighting conditions (sometimes True Focus won't snap or just takes "endless" time to do so and my model is almost fallen asleep meanwhile...)
Thanks!
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: Hassilistic on June 10, 2016, 02:53:26 AM
Quote from: Buddy on June 09, 2016, 09:45:01 PM
I am asking this, because I have some issues with True Focus in a H5 body especially under non optimal lighting conditions (sometimes True Focus won't snap or just takes "endless" time to do so and my model is almost fallen asleep meanwhile...)

I don't know of any Auto Focus out there that does so under non optimal conditions...!  The trick is to be mindful of your EV limits, set it to one which gives optimal focus function, and use your exposure compensation to control the lighting (brightness) to create whatever dramatic effect you were looking for in the first place.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: Buddy on June 10, 2016, 09:10:42 AM
Quote from: Hassilistic on June 10, 2016, 02:53:26 AM
I don't know of any Auto Focus out there that does so under non optimal conditions...!  The trick is to be mindful of your EV limits, set it to one which gives optimal focus function, and use your exposure compensation to control the lighting (brightness) to create whatever dramatic effect you were looking for in the first place.
You obviously didn't understand what I am talking or writing about or you don't have a clue of True Focus in actual operation. It has nothing to do with exposure and exposure compensation. What I was saying is that when ambient lighting is not brilliant in a shooting scene with H5D then True Focus acquisition (until True Focus locks focus and confirms with the beep or the special symbol in the viewfinder) is sometimes quite cumbersome and can take endless or at least a few seconds and this is not very good in front of a model holding its pose. When shooting in similar or much worse situations with my Nikon D4s then focus aquisition is seldom a problem.
Exposure in such situation is not the problem, this is set by the the corresponding aperture and shutter speed and the flash system.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: Buddy on June 10, 2016, 09:12:46 AM
that's why I wish someone chime in here having actual experience with H5D and H6D, not just theoretical internet knowledge
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: DBF on June 13, 2016, 05:16:41 AM
I found my solution for the bad colours of H6 - it´s name is H5D60 and I bought it new :)
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: bdp on June 16, 2016, 03:51:09 PM
Hi Bab,

I am one owner who commented that I noticed a change in colour compared to my H5D-40 (CCD) in the things I shoot (mostly food). I preferred the colour from the old camera, probably because I was used to it. I did get a response from Hasselblad saying that they found the new chip had better (more accurate) colour than the older backs, however I remarked that more accurate colour didn't necessarily mean more pleasing colour.

There was also some speculation that my old CCD back had the wrong calibration file loaded after a chip change under warranty, so all my files from my old camera may have had a slight red or magenta tint to them.

In the end my solution was to shoot a colour chart with my new H6 and simply save a calibration file that I apply to all my captures. This seems to have brought back the good looking natural colour I was used to. Who knows why, but I'm happy with it now.

Ben
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: DBF on June 16, 2016, 07:09:23 PM
I made a simple Test:
I looked to the Test-Photos (H3DII50 - H6D50C - Phase One 50 MP - Phase One 100MP) with some friends without saying which Photo came from which Camera. They don´t own a good Quality Camera.
All of them found the Pictures of the H3DII50 with 100% - saying this Picture is good and the other three are b*llsh*t.
I tried to set the colors with Photoshop. I was quite satisfied and showed it to my Wife. She said: it looks like a Painting - not like a Photo.
So my Decision was Clear: We want to stay with CCD and I want more than I have now.
It is sad, that I can not have faster Shutter-Speed - but natural colors are ore important to me.
All other extra Features of the H6 are not necessary for me.
I am happy with my new H5D60.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: raffa on June 16, 2016, 07:47:07 PM
Quote from: DBF on June 16, 2016, 07:09:23 PM
I looked to the Test-Photos (H3DII50 - H6D50C - Phase One 50 MP - Phase One 100MP) with some friends without saying which Photo came from which Camera. They don´t own a good Quality Camera.

could you please share these files?
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: DBF on June 16, 2016, 10:13:59 PM
Sorry No
I have deleted them after Purchas of the new Camera.
The Shop where I go (Calumet in Stuttgart/Germany) was very helpful with borrowing everything I wanted. No cost and have it as long as I want.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: bdp on June 18, 2016, 08:26:33 AM
Hi Bab,

Yes, all the settings such as the curves etc are carried over from one shot to the next. It's like Capture One's setting 'copy from primary', so Phocus will use the settings from whichever thumbnail you have selected for the next capture. You can't lock these settings into the camera for untethered shooting but it doesn't matter anyway because as soon as you import them into Phocus you can assign whatever settings you like.

LV on the back is great - just one button press or tap on the touchscreen to start it and you can zoom in with a double tap to check focus. One thing I hope is coming via firmware update is the ability to scroll around once zoomed in to 100%. The refresh rate is excellent as is the quality - no blown highlights, nice contrast etc.

Ben
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: Dagmar_L on October 26, 2016, 11:05:34 AM
Yesterday I received my H6D100C, played with it a little - to get use to it, and today - I am after first portrait session.
Using  HC 50-110 lens  on f 8.0 - 75 pictures in 1 hour - every one of them - ideally sharp (using true Focus from about 1,2-1,5 m distance).
Colours are very OK - I do not miss my old H5D40.
Tethered work needs quick upgrade  - using power from USB is a must.
75 shots in 1 hour drained 50% of the battery.

It was mentioned in one of the first posts in this thread - that registering camera online will give additional year of warranty - 36 months in total. Is it true?
I sent once email to Hasselblad  asking about this - and answer was - "ask your local dealer". Dealer doesn't know anything else  - just 24 months warranty.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: Buddy on October 26, 2016, 09:33:35 PM
Can you please post some out of cam images here while we (I) are still waiting for the 100c? thanks
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: Acrylium on October 27, 2016, 08:53:33 AM
My dealer told me I can expect my H6D-100c eraliest in February 2017, probably even later  :(
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: cerett on October 27, 2016, 08:57:16 AM
That's not good. When did you order it?
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: Acrylium on October 27, 2016, 09:00:50 AM
I ordered it mid September 2016. But since I want to use the Trade-up opportunity from my H5D it seems I have to wait until everybody who pays the full price (without trade-up) has recived theirs.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: cerett on October 27, 2016, 09:14:10 AM
I bought the H6D-50C in July with the idea of upgrading to the 100C when available. I had no idea it would take this long! It's was a good deal, but I probably should have waited for the 100C. BTW, I had upgraded from the H5D-50C. Up to this point, the H6D-50C is not that much of an improvement. Hasselblad is incredibly slow, especially with the firmware updates that the 50C really needs. Really disappointed.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: davidthescot on November 01, 2016, 04:19:56 AM
I upgraded from an H4D50 and for me it is a gigantic improvement particularly with live view.  Even better now that you can scroll around the screen in magnified view.  Great camera and very much looking forward to the 100 when it arrives in a week or so.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: cerett on November 01, 2016, 04:33:40 AM
David, when did you order the upgrade from the 50C to 100C? Curious, because you say the 100C is arriving in a week.
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: Hassilistic on November 01, 2016, 05:39:48 PM
The news back in May was a little bit misleading on SONY's part in making the world believe they will start shipping soon after the devastating earthquake that hit their sensor factory at Kumamoto.  However, not since this came out, I stopped holding my breath, as I knew Hasselblad is not at fault here, for these delays are out of its control.

See link posted 3 months ago : http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/yep-today-anothe-rbad-news-kumamoto-sensor-factiry-will-fully-operational-august/ (http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/yep-today-anothe-rbad-news-kumamoto-sensor-factiry-will-fully-operational-august/)

We have yet to know, where and when these 100MP sensors will be delivered, as the sensors in question include far more other camera models, and not forgetting SONY's own camera production series which I am sure will receive priority  over others.
https://www.dpreview.com/news/2552736067/sony-warns-of-camera-delays-due-to-kumamoto-earthquake (https://www.dpreview.com/news/2552736067/sony-warns-of-camera-delays-due-to-kumamoto-earthquake)

We don't have a choice but to keep shooting (I hate waiting)  :P until the big 100 finally arrives .. who knows maybe in time for Xmas  ;D
Title: Re: H6D
Post by: davidthescot on November 02, 2016, 03:10:46 AM
I am in the UK and have been told that supplies are trickling through.  As I am next on the list (which is being dealt with strictly by date of order upgrade or otherwise) I have been told that I can expect my camera to arrive within a week.