I am not sure if this has already been brought up or discussed. I have heard that none of them are weather proofed. Has anyone actually experienced that is true, or is just a myth?
Quote from: Iceman1331 on March 04, 2024, 11:58:59 AMI am not sure if this has already been brought up or discussed. I have heard that none of them are weather proofed. Has anyone actually experienced that is true, or is just a myth?
Hasselblad doesn't say that there is weatherproofing, which is a liability statement more than anything else. I *have* gotten some rain on my X2D without problems, but I think it is best avoided. Leica released a video of an S camera held under a running faucet. I took that to mean I could use it in bad weather, and I did for many years - never a problem. If I wanted to go out and photograph in a snowstorm, I'd leave the Hassy inside and get out the Leica S.
I don't think the X2D has serious weatherproofing. However, I use my X2D regularly in Vermont during the winter in snowstorms. It's my preferred weather for shooting these days. Same with shooting in rain/snow in Iceland. However, I am reasonably careful to not let excess snow or rain accumulate on the camera. I use plastic, disposable shower caps on the camera. I periodically wipe the camera and lenses down with cloths I carry, and use a towel before stowing the camera back into my backpack. No problems....so far. I did have an issue with my X1DII several years ago when snow melt penetrated into the camera behind the LCD screen.I was careless and pressed my luck and let quite a bit of snow accumulate on the body. A $1k repair.
I would think that the 907x/100c would be particularly risky to use in adverse weather. I don't think there are any weatherproofing seals between the two, and there appear to be a number of ingress points where water could penetrate. So, again, caution would be advised. However, the same is likely true with the Phase XT, and there are photographers regularly using them in places like Iceland, so it can be done.
Well, not X2D, but 3 days ago I had an issue with my X1DII. I was using it in light rain, when a very sudden downpour came. It kept working and I wasn't too worried. But the next morning, after I took a few shots, suddenly the EVF stopped working. On later examination, I saw condensation on the inside of the EVF. So I took the lens off and put it in a warm place. The EVF condensation cleared up, but then I saw a condensation patch on the sensor. Yikes. I decided to go for a walk.... Several hours later, I tried the camera, and it was fine, but still no EVF. So I had to use it hand-held, using the LCD. Not nice. One could say 907x-mode. I was wondering how much the repair would be, and how long it would take.
Then, several further hours later, I suddenly noticed the EVF was working again.
I'm going to buy a rain cover :-)
A few weeks ago I used my X1dii in (I found out) too much rain.
Heavy rain.
The condition were too perfect not to make work in.
Got to next location...hour xrive and hour walk and camera had stopped working and af assist light permanently on. Would not turn on at all.
An hour sat warming up in a cafe (me and camera) and it worked again for me to make work (in more rain and slushy snowfall), albeit with af assist light on and the odd gremlin in the evf.
The af assist light remained on...then less so as camera began to dry out in hotel in evening and overnight.
Next morning all was good and working perfectly again since.
So not ideal of course and I think got away with it a bit, and I know now how much rain it can take, and should stop before that point.
These were most extreme (wet) conditions I've shot in so hard to compare to experience with older Leica SL that worked in dry but minus 20 without issue.
Quote from: marcwilson on March 06, 2024, 05:18:06 AMA few weeks ago I used my X1dii in (I found out) too much rain.
Heavy rain.
The condition were too perfect not to make work in.
Got to next location...hour xrive and hour walk and camera had stopped working and af assist light permanently on. Would not turn on at all.
An hour sat warming up in a cafe (me and camera) and it worked again for me to make work (in more rain and slushy snowfall), albeit with af assist light on and the odd gremlin in the evf.
The af assist light remained on...then less so as camera began to dry out in hotel in evening and overnight.
Next morning all was good and working perfectly again since.
So not ideal of course and I think got away with it a bit, and I know now how much rain it can take, and should stop before that point.
These were most extreme (wet) conditions I've shot in so hard to compare to experience with older Leica SL that worked in dry but minus 20 without issue.
Similar experience to mine, but my X1DII never came back to life.
Similar experience to mine, but my X1DII never came back to life.
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oh no, sorry to hear that...I was obviously lucky but silly...Hasselblad did say I'd need to send it in but it came back to life so no need. Hope they could fix yours?
Thr X1D and X2D werent IP rated right? I will take their weatherproofing with grain of salts, may be light mist will be oke, i womt probably take mine into a storm if i have the choice
907x definitely more prone water and condensation, since i could imagine water drops can penetrate into the modular back
I'd have a drybag handy whenever out and shooting landscape, or at least the now forbidden plastic bag
Quote from: marcwilson on March 08, 2024, 03:50:58 AMSimilar experience to mine, but my X1DII never came back to life.
oh no, sorry to hear that...I was obviously lucky but silly...Hasselblad did say I'd need to send it in but it came back to life so no need. Hope they could fix yours?
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Hasselblad repaired it; $1k. The good news is that Hasselblad turned around the repair in 3 or 4 days.
I just found that HB provides the following spec for x2d:
"Operating Humidity: No more than 85% without condensation"
I interpreted it as not 100% water proof. Condensation is a problem too if not protected.
I agreed that 907x is more prone to water penetration due to how it attaches to the digital back. 907x is mainly designed for indoor or studio use on a tripod.
Kids, do not try this at home. I was lucky.
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And was it worth it for THIS?
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If you really want to use Medium Format in bad weather, the Leica S is a good choice.
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Matt
Last year I took my X1d and the 21 mm to a trip in Portugal and it rained quite heavily one day all of a sudden. I hand held my camera under this rain with no other cover and hided under a tree (luckily there was no thunder storm) with dripping raindrops. My X1D survived this rain storm and works as normal with no issues. I know luck may not happen twice.
Quote from: Iceman1331 on March 09, 2024, 06:12:14 PM907x is mainly designed for indoor or studio use on a tripod.
Sorry, but that's of course nonsense. It's not raining all the time out there... ::)
Quote from: jakontil on March 08, 2024, 04:23:05 PMThr X1D and X2D werent IP rated right?
Ony Leica (SL and S series) and OM Systems provide IP ratings for their cameras. Sony, Canon and Nikon do not. But some do list the seals in their press releases.
I would use my X2D in snow but be careful in rain. Likely I'd take my SL3 and a zoom.
Gordon
Quote from: flash on March 19, 2024, 12:52:47 AMOny Leica (SL and S series) and OM Systems provide IP ratings for their cameras. Sony, Canon and Nikon do not. But some do list the seals in their press releases.
I would use my X2D in snow but be careful in rain. Likely I'd take my SL3 and a zoom.
Leica also provides the IP rating for the Q series ( except for the original Q, if I recall correctly ).
I've had my X2D out in snow squalls a few times, but kept it wrapped in a scarf when I wasn't shooting. No issues whatsoever.
Well, IP 52 is also only very limitedly splash-proof.
"Dripping water when tilted at 15 degrees
all four positions are tested
Test time – 2.5 minutes per tilt
Water equivalent is 3mm of rainfall per minute."
Waterproofness is difficult to define in practice. I also believe that most camera manufacturers do not provide IP certification and even warn about moisture in the manual in order to avoid legal disputes. (Even if the camera is shown with water drops in the advertising.) What IP52 tries to describe, my Nikons had to go along with, even without IP certification.
I got the Think Tank rain cover just in case. The Medium cover is way too big and awkward but there is plenty of room to get your hands underneath to operate the camera. The strap on the front tightens on the lens hood and the fixture in the back slips into the flash shoe. Camera stays dry. Good insurance for $38 at B&H. It folds up into a small pouch.
Quote from: flash on March 19, 2024, 12:52:47 AM...Sony, Canon and Nikon do not. But some do list the seals in their press releases...
Gordon
And if you've ever seen those "seals", you'd never really trust it in any rain. The case seams on a 1Dx are "sealed" with nothing more than double sided tape and some foam strips. It's acceptable in a light mist, but with any decent flow, the foam will just saturate and the Nitto/3M tape will start to loosen.
When I had my 1Dx apart, I changed the tape for 200MP and the "gasket" for foam-rubber to give it a better chance in a downpour.
An umbrella (and ideally an assistant) can work wonders when out in the field.
Hasselblad never gave an IP rating as it was current for all cameras a few years ago.
I guess thei don't need to go this way as the guy who wants a Hasselblad simply buys it, not regarding an IP rating.
Indeed X cameras are protected even if they are far away from high end reportage pro cameras that are really splash proof.
If some people argue that for example 907X are not protected at all, it's simply not true.
XCD lenses have a rubber lip sealing on the mount and have enough chicanes on moving parts to be splash proof.
the side flap (with card(s) and batteries has an internal rubber lining to seal it when closed
Even the digital back has a rubber lining to seal the interface between body and back.
If you show the bottom of X cameras it's monobloc and the battery has an O-Ring sealing, no problem when putting the camera on a wet surface.
For me X cameras have decent sealing, I managed to shoot under light rain on a tripod without problem, even if I wipe regularly wet parts with a travel towel.
I certainly would not rest the x2d on any wet surface. One of my batteries was replaced by the dealer when I showed the o-ring was only partially in place...some 50% was missing! It's pretty flimsy, and so I'd trust it to keep out wet mist, not water or rain.
This battery was new, straight out of its box and unused.
Quote from: Clockworksphoto on April 04, 2024, 06:57:43 AMI got the Think Tank rain cover just in case. The Medium cover is way too big and awkward but there is plenty of room to get your hands underneath to operate the camera. The strap on the front tightens on the lens hood and the fixture in the back slips into the flash shoe. Camera stays dry. Good insurance for $38 at B&H. It folds up into a small pouch.
I also got the Medium ThinkTank cover - too much material for my X2D with 55V - but, it works great on my Canon with 100-400. The Small ThinkTank cover is 6" shorter, but the opening for camera/tripod access is the same as the Medium, and works perfectly with the X2D. Using the flash shoe is magical - the cover stays where it's supposed to.