How long until next body e.g. X3D?

[MGrayson]

"The X-series is being attacked from two directions - Fuji 100MP medium format and 61MP 35mm full-frame. If Hasselblad doesn't act in the next 6-9 months, the only X shooters left will be us diehards on this forum."

Neither of these options is really any more compelling than they were when the x2d came out.

I can only state my specific use case, but I recently got an x2d after using a 907 kit for a few years. I really contemplated a used x1d2, but I wanted to get off the tripod more so the ibis was a selling point.
The main drawback is that I can't use my release cord - I truly hate using my phone during my photography. But again, this is for off the tripod. The 100 mp is nice, but 50 is plenty. I print fairly large fairly often. The added detail is cool but honestly makes no difference in the real quality of my work which is about seeing the world not reproducing it in the finest detail.

I work with m10 monochromes for a lot of my other work - which print with detail like a 60 mp sensor or better - and really have never felt a great need for over 40 mp. The hassies are nicer for their color and the range and the user experience. Fuji only can touch one of those. I'd even prefer my beater old m10 over the fujis because even it's 24 mp files print great under most conditions - even there my complaint is more about the range than the resolution. Still a great camera tho. 

Just like I am not at all interested in an m11 mono or m12 or whatever the x2d seems mature enough to me that whatever future versions come out probably won't be too compelling for me. The 500 c/m was damn good for a damn long while and this seems the digital equivalent in some ways - at least for those of us who just want a good recording device that makes itself disappear. I'm old school but a camera is still basically just exposure and focus and light sensitive substrate to me. Ibis is the only new thing I find really useful. 

Exactly the point
50 mp is over the roof and remote cord is essential for shooting on a tripod

A small change in the app would make a phone much less problematic. If a physical button could trigger the shutter instead of tapping a certain place on the screen, then it not differ functionally from a wired remote. I haven't found a way to do that with the current version. (Yes, connection integrity would still be an issue.)

[fcarucci]

"The X-series is being attacked from two directions - Fuji 100MP medium format and 61MP 35mm full-frame. If Hasselblad doesn't act in the next 6-9 months, the only X shooters left will be us diehards on this forum."

Neither of these options is really any more compelling than they were when the x2d came out.

I can only state my specific use case, but I recently got an x2d after using a 907 kit for a few years. I really contemplated a used x1d2, but I wanted to get off the tripod more so the ibis was a selling point.
The main drawback is that I can't use my release cord - I truly hate using my phone during my photography. But again, this is for off the tripod. The 100 mp is nice, but 50 is plenty. I print fairly large fairly often. The added detail is cool but honestly makes no difference in the real quality of my work which is about seeing the world not reproducing it in the finest detail.

I work with m10 monochromes for a lot of my other work - which print with detail like a 60 mp sensor or better - and really have never felt a great need for over 40 mp. The hassies are nicer for their color and the range and the user experience. Fuji only can touch one of those. I'd even prefer my beater old m10 over the fujis because even it's 24 mp files print great under most conditions - even there my complaint is more about the range than the resolution. Still a great camera tho. 

Just like I am not at all interested in an m11 mono or m12 or whatever the x2d seems mature enough to me that whatever future versions come out probably won't be too compelling for me. The 500 c/m was damn good for a damn long while and this seems the digital equivalent in some ways - at least for those of us who just want a good recording device that makes itself disappear. I'm old school but a camera is still basically just exposure and focus and light sensitive substrate to me. Ibis is the only new thing I find really useful. 

Exactly the point
50 mp is over the roof and remote cord is essential for shooting on a tripod

I've been shooting for 15 years on a tripod and never used a cable release. Maybe it's not that essential.

[etto72]

. If you need blazing fast AF-C for your work, this is simply not the tool for your job. If you need outstanding IQ, and you can work within the limits of the tool, this is the tool for your job.

That said, Eye-AF is essential.

Not a blazing fast AF-C but just a AF-C that can track a model moving loosely around!!

[etto72]

Like my friend Howard, I've been trying to predict Hasselblad's next steps since the announcement of the X1D. It's a slow and usually frustrating process. But here are my thoughts.

The main limitation of the X2D is speed. By any measure, the camera is slow. The AF is slow, the frame rate is slow, card writing is slow... In addition, there are several "features" that were unexplainably missing from the X2D even though they were present on the X1D II - remote cable release port, interface for the GPS accessory, basic video.

So my prediction is that there will be an X2D II, well before any X3D appears. Given the imminent introduction of the GFX 100S II, Hasselblad needs to make an announcement by the fall and have cameras in users hands by late 2024 - early 2025. The new camera will have:

1. A new faster processor
2. Faster AF and Eye AF (and none of the 35mm AF fluff like animal, insect, and vehicle AF)
3. Remote cable release port (allowing Hasselblad to sell the already developed and manufactured and expensive cable release)
4. Hot shoe interface for the GPS accessory (allowing Hasselblad to sell the already developed and manufactured and expensive GPS accessory)
5. AF-C that can keep up with subject movement when shooting portraits in the studio or in the field
6. Faster frame rate when shooting in continuous mode
7. Faster writing to internal memory or a card (or both)
8. Higher resolution EVF
9. Same form factor as the current X2D
10. Same price as the current X2D

The new camera won't have a joystick. As Howard said, that seems to be counter to Hasselblad's design philosophy for the X-series. Auto ISO in Manual mode also seems to be a no-no. The X2D II will use the same 100MP sensor that has become popular in crop-sensor medium format cameras. The volume of production for that sensor, chip yield, and quality control makes it the obvious choice for the new X camera. The professional customers who shoot with the X-series are likely not screaming for more megapixels. A pixel-shift solution might be in the offing for the art repro market. And the camera's new processor would struggle with more megapixels.

OK, that's enough prognostication for one day. Thanks for listening.

Joe

I feel the things like AF-C and Eye AF its just a matter of coding and not new hardware, maybe I am naif but I hope wee shall see those with a new firmware update

[xoda]

Like my friend Howard, I've been trying to predict Hasselblad's next steps since the announcement of the X1D. It's a slow and usually frustrating process. But here are my thoughts.

The main limitation of the X2D is speed. By any measure, the camera is slow. The AF is slow, the frame rate is slow, card writing is slow... In addition, there are several "features" that were unexplainably missing from the X2D even though they were present on the X1D II - remote cable release port, interface for the GPS accessory, basic video.

So my prediction is that there will be an X2D II, well before any X3D appears. Given the imminent introduction of the GFX 100S II, Hasselblad needs to make an announcement by the fall and have cameras in users hands by late 2024 - early 2025. The new camera will have:

1. A new faster processor
2. Faster AF and Eye AF (and none of the 35mm AF fluff like animal, insect, and vehicle AF)
3. Remote cable release port (allowing Hasselblad to sell the already developed and manufactured and expensive cable release)
4. Hot shoe interface for the GPS accessory (allowing Hasselblad to sell the already developed and manufactured and expensive GPS accessory)
5. AF-C that can keep up with subject movement when shooting portraits in the studio or in the field
6. Faster frame rate when shooting in continuous mode
7. Faster writing to internal memory or a card (or both)
8. Higher resolution EVF
9. Same form factor as the current X2D
10. Same price as the current X2D

The new camera won't have a joystick. As Howard said, that seems to be counter to Hasselblad's design philosophy for the X-series. Auto ISO in Manual mode also seems to be a no-no. The X2D II will use the same 100MP sensor that has become popular in crop-sensor medium format cameras. The volume of production for that sensor, chip yield, and quality control makes it the obvious choice for the new X camera. The professional customers who shoot with the X-series are likely not screaming for more megapixels. A pixel-shift solution might be in the offing for the art repro market. And the camera's new processor would struggle with more megapixels.

OK, that's enough prognostication for one day. Thanks for listening.

Joe

I feel the things like AF-C and Eye AF its just a matter of coding and not new hardware, maybe I am naif but I hope wee shall see those with a new firmware update

Won't AF-C or Eye-AF require much more computation power, which current HW may or may not support?

[JoeC]

Like my friend Howard, I've been trying to predict Hasselblad's next steps since the announcement of the X1D. It's a slow and usually frustrating process. But here are my thoughts.

The main limitation of the X2D is speed. By any measure, the camera is slow. The AF is slow, the frame rate is slow, card writing is slow... In addition, there are several "features" that were unexplainably missing from the X2D even though they were present on the X1D II - remote cable release port, interface for the GPS accessory, basic video.

So my prediction is that there will be an X2D II, well before any X3D appears. Given the imminent introduction of the GFX 100S II, Hasselblad needs to make an announcement by the fall and have cameras in users hands by late 2024 - early 2025. The new camera will have:

1. A new faster processor
2. Faster AF and Eye AF (and none of the 35mm AF fluff like animal, insect, and vehicle AF)
3. Remote cable release port (allowing Hasselblad to sell the already developed and manufactured and expensive cable release)
4. Hot shoe interface for the GPS accessory (allowing Hasselblad to sell the already developed and manufactured and expensive GPS accessory)
5. AF-C that can keep up with subject movement when shooting portraits in the studio or in the field
6. Faster frame rate when shooting in continuous mode
7. Faster writing to internal memory or a card (or both)
8. Higher resolution EVF
9. Same form factor as the current X2D
10. Same price as the current X2D

The new camera won't have a joystick. As Howard said, that seems to be counter to Hasselblad's design philosophy for the X-series. Auto ISO in Manual mode also seems to be a no-no. The X2D II will use the same 100MP sensor that has become popular in crop-sensor medium format cameras. The volume of production for that sensor, chip yield, and quality control makes it the obvious choice for the new X camera. The professional customers who shoot with the X-series are likely not screaming for more megapixels. A pixel-shift solution might be in the offing for the art repro market. And the camera's new processor would struggle with more megapixels.

OK, that's enough prognostication for one day. Thanks for listening.

Joe

I feel the things like AF-C and Eye AF its just a matter of coding and not new hardware, maybe I am naif but I hope wee shall see those with a new firmware update

Won't AF-C or Eye-AF require much more computation power, which current HW may or may not support?

That's a good question. My guess is that a more powerful CPU will be required. Otherwise, why haven't those features materialized? But that's just a guess.

Joe

[Iskander]

Regarding AF-C, pay attention to the statement of the Hasselblad representative from about a year ago during a trade fair from 2:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=Cc_tt2_FXGs

[MGrayson]

Regarding AF-C, pay attention to the statement of the Hasselblad representative from about a year ago during a trade fair from 2:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=Cc_tt2_FXGs

"In the new year"... but he doesn't say which new year. 

(I'm happy with the current feature set, so I have no standing here...)

[etto72]

Like my friend Howard, I've been trying to predict Hasselblad's next steps since the announcement of the X1D. It's a slow and usually frustrating process. But here are my thoughts.

The main limitation of the X2D is speed. By any measure, the camera is slow. The AF is slow, the frame rate is slow, card writing is slow... In addition, there are several "features" that were unexplainably missing from the X2D even though they were present on the X1D II - remote cable release port, interface for the GPS accessory, basic video.

So my prediction is that there will be an X2D II, well before any X3D appears. Given the imminent introduction of the GFX 100S II, Hasselblad needs to make an announcement by the fall and have cameras in users hands by late 2024 - early 2025. The new camera will have:

1. A new faster processor
2. Faster AF and Eye AF (and none of the 35mm AF fluff like animal, insect, and vehicle AF)
3. Remote cable release port (allowing Hasselblad to sell the already developed and manufactured and expensive cable release)
4. Hot shoe interface for the GPS accessory (allowing Hasselblad to sell the already developed and manufactured and expensive GPS accessory)
5. AF-C that can keep up with subject movement when shooting portraits in the studio or in the field
6. Faster frame rate when shooting in continuous mode
7. Faster writing to internal memory or a card (or both)
8. Higher resolution EVF
9. Same form factor as the current X2D
10. Same price as the current X2D

The new camera won't have a joystick. As Howard said, that seems to be counter to Hasselblad's design philosophy for the X-series. Auto ISO in Manual mode also seems to be a no-no. The X2D II will use the same 100MP sensor that has become popular in crop-sensor medium format cameras. The volume of production for that sensor, chip yield, and quality control makes it the obvious choice for the new X camera. The professional customers who shoot with the X-series are likely not screaming for more megapixels. A pixel-shift solution might be in the offing for the art repro market. And the camera's new processor would struggle with more megapixels.

OK, that's enough prognostication for one day. Thanks for listening.

Joe

I feel the things like AF-C and Eye AF its just a matter of coding and not new hardware, maybe I am naif but I hope wee shall see those with a new firmware update

Won't AF-C or Eye-AF require much more computation power, which current HW may or may not support?

When the Leica Sl2 was launched it didn't have face and eye Af, those fictions were added later via firmware, hopefully it will be the same for the X2D.
 

[pgh]

"The X-series is being attacked from two directions - Fuji 100MP medium format and 61MP 35mm full-frame. If Hasselblad doesn't act in the next 6-9 months, the only X shooters left will be us diehards on this forum."

Neither of these options is really any more compelling than they were when the x2d came out.

I can only state my specific use case, but I recently got an x2d after using a 907 kit for a few years. I really contemplated a used x1d2, but I wanted to get off the tripod more so the ibis was a selling point.
The main drawback is that I can't use my release cord - I truly hate using my phone during my photography. But again, this is for off the tripod. The 100 mp is nice, but 50 is plenty. I print fairly large fairly often. The added detail is cool but honestly makes no difference in the real quality of my work which is about seeing the world not reproducing it in the finest detail.

I work with m10 monochromes for a lot of my other work - which print with detail like a 60 mp sensor or better - and really have never felt a great need for over 40 mp. The hassies are nicer for their color and the range and the user experience. Fuji only can touch one of those. I'd even prefer my beater old m10 over the fujis because even it's 24 mp files print great under most conditions - even there my complaint is more about the range than the resolution. Still a great camera tho. 

Just like I am not at all interested in an m11 mono or m12 or whatever the x2d seems mature enough to me that whatever future versions come out probably won't be too compelling for me. The 500 c/m was damn good for a damn long while and this seems the digital equivalent in some ways - at least for those of us who just want a good recording device that makes itself disappear. I'm old school but a camera is still basically just exposure and focus and light sensitive substrate to me. Ibis is the only new thing I find really useful. 

Exactly the point
50 mp is over the roof and remote cord is essential for shooting on a tripod

It's not essential.
It's also much less a tripod camera with the Ibis.
It would be nice, but it's the only improvement I'd like and it sure won't change a camera just for that. Self timers and phocus mobile are plenty, honestly. I'd like the cord, but whatever.