Data cable for cfv100c 907x

[jakontil]

Hi all, just wondering if anyone can shed some lights of the usb c cable in the box, what's the speed rating for that cable?

I'm aware that not all cables will be compatible since it's housed flushed into the body unlike the x2D

Im asking because while i use the proper usb c 3.1 gen 2 cable on x2D, the speed transfer seems faster compared to the cable that comes with 907x

I transfer many big files, and the difference is noticeable and i might need to look for a proper speed cable if possible

Thanks

[polychloros]

Im asking because while i use the proper usb c 3.1 gen 2 cable on x2D, the speed transfer seems faster compared to the cable that comes with 907x

Are the cables not interchangeable between the two cameras? Both cameras have a port of the same spec (3.1 Gen 2 with a 10Gbps max transmission rate) and I would have assumed that the supplied cable is common to both cameras. Maybe the speed difference is a product of the differing electronics or SSD read speed in the two cameras?

[jakontil]

Im asking because while i use the proper usb c 3.1 gen 2 cable on x2D, the speed transfer seems faster compared to the cable that comes with 907x

Are the cables not interchangeable between the two cameras? Both cameras have a port of the same spec (3.1 Gen 2 with a 10Gbps max transmission rate) and I would have assumed that the supplied cable is common to both cameras. Maybe the speed difference is a product of the differing electronics or SSD read speed in the two cameras?

Hi ian, the 907x has that port housing which, a slightly bigger end of the plug wont be able to go through it
Whereas the x2D is just right on the surface of the body

[polychloros]

Hi ian, the 907x has that port housing which, a slightly bigger end of the plug wont be able to go through it
Whereas the x2D is just right on the surface of the body

Hi, yes I understand that difference but the door on the 907x back isn't a tight fit with the supplied cable. I can plug other USB-C cables into that 907x port (e.g. my Apple USB-C charging cable or a fast USB-C data only cable I have that came with an external SSD).

I don't have an X2D: are you saying that the X2D comes with a different USB-C cable to the 907x cameras or that you have replaced your supplied Hasselblad cable with a faster third-party USB-C cable that has a plug too large to fit through the 907x port door? I guess I don't understand your original question.

[photogar]

do not try and use a cheap usb-c cable for other than charging. the cheap cables do not have any chips inside of them for data channeling and such. for fast throughput, you need to put down some $$ to get a good cable.
Data cables tend to have a number stamped/printed on the ends, showing how fast / cool they are.
Apple's thunderbolt 4 (usb-c data) cables are expensive, but worth every penny. You can look elsewhere on the forums for other brands that manufacture longer cables than 3 meters, if you are dangling your laptop off of the 50/100C

[jakontil]

I too switched from my "normal" USB-C cable the cable Hasselblad that supplied with the X2D and it was amazing. Reading the SSD went from 100Mbps to over 600Mbs !

Hi patrick, that's what i thought.. i might find cables that came supplied with ext ssd that is inserted well with the 907x then, thanks!

Hi ian, the 907x has that port housing which, a slightly bigger end of the plug wont be able to go through it
Whereas the x2D is just right on the surface of the body

Hi, yes I understand that difference but the door on the 907x back isn't a tight fit with the supplied cable. I can plug other USB-C cables into that 907x port (e.g. my Apple USB-C charging cable or a fast USB-C data only cable I have that came with an external SSD).

I don't have an X2D: are you saying that the X2D comes with a different USB-C cable to the 907x cameras or that you have replaced your supplied Hasselblad cable with a faster third-party USB-C cable that has a plug too large to fit through the 907x port door? I guess I don't understand your original question.

Hi, yes it isnt tight fit, but my fast usb c cable have a bigger end that cant fit, while the slower speed can fit in just fine, i was asking if the supplied cable has the high speed rating like the proper usb c3.1 gen 2 speed which proved not i believe

do not try and use a cheap usb-c cable for other than charging. the cheap cables do not have any chips inside of them for data channeling and such. for fast throughput, you need to put down some $$ to get a good cable.
Data cables tend to have a number stamped/printed on the ends, showing how fast / cool they are.
Apple's thunderbolt 4 (usb-c data) cables are expensive, but worth every penny. You can look elsewhere on the forums for other brands that manufacture longer cables than 3 meters, if you are dangling your laptop off of the 50/100C

Thanks, i might have to find cable that's fast and can fit into the 907x

[polychloros]

Hi, yes it isnt tight fit, but my fast usb c cable have a bigger end that cant fit, while the slower speed can fit in just fine, i was asking if the supplied cable has the high speed rating like the proper usb c3.1 gen 2 speed which proved not i believe

Thanks, I now understand. I don't believe the supplied cable has a fast speed rating. It's a nice quality cable but I think it is meant to be a do-it-all cable (charging and data) rather than one optimised for speed. That Hasselblad sell it separately for about £25 also suggests it isn't a high speed rated cable. Have you tried the Apple Thunderbolt 4 cables? They look as if they would plug into the 907x port fine.

[jakontil]

Hi, yes it isnt tight fit, but my fast usb c cable have a bigger end that cant fit, while the slower speed can fit in just fine, i was asking if the supplied cable has the high speed rating like the proper usb c3.1 gen 2 speed which proved not i believe

Thanks, I now understand. I don't believe the supplied cable has a fast speed rating. It's a nice quality cable but I think it is meant to be a do-it-all cable (charging and data) rather than one optimised for speed. That Hasselblad sell it separately for about £25 also suggests it isn't a high speed rated cable. Have you tried the Apple Thunderbolt 4 cables? They look as if they would plug into the 907x port fine.

Hi ian, no i havent tested it, quite pricey but im willing to spend if it's compatible, may be others might share the experience

Thanks!

[photogar]

I too switched from my "normal" USB-C cable the cable Hasselblad that supplied with the X2D and it was amazing. Reading the SSD went from 100Mbps to over 600Mbs !

Hi patrick, that's what i thought.. i might find cables that came supplied with ext ssd that is inserted well with the 907x then, thanks!

Hi ian, the 907x has that port housing which, a slightly bigger end of the plug wont be able to go through it
Whereas the x2D is just right on the surface of the body

Hi, yes I understand that difference but the door on the 907x back isn't a tight fit with the supplied cable. I can plug other USB-C cables into that 907x port (e.g. my Apple USB-C charging cable or a fast USB-C data only cable I have that came with an external SSD).

I don't have an X2D: are you saying that the X2D comes with a different USB-C cable to the 907x cameras or that you have replaced your supplied Hasselblad cable with a faster third-party USB-C cable that has a plug too large to fit through the 907x port door? I guess I don't understand your original question.

Hi, yes it isnt tight fit, but my fast usb c cable have a bigger end that cant fit, while the slower speed can fit in just fine, i was asking if the supplied cable has the high speed rating like the proper usb c3.1 gen 2 speed which proved not i believe

do not try and use a cheap usb-c cable for other than charging. the cheap cables do not have any chips inside of them for data channeling and such. for fast throughput, you need to put down some $$ to get a good cable.
Data cables tend to have a number stamped/printed on the ends, showing how fast / cool they are.
Apple's thunderbolt 4 (usb-c data) cables are expensive, but worth every penny. You can look elsewhere on the forums for other brands that manufacture longer cables than 3 meters, if you are dangling your laptop off of the 50/100C

Thanks, i might have to find cable that's fast and can fit into the 907x

Apple's thunder 4 cables fit fine in the 907x, but the 3m cable is $$$159 from apple. I actually do not have any thunder 4 cables that do not fit in to the CFV II 50C USB-C socket. If they do not fit, I would question whether they are legitimate cables, TBH.

I bought my apple TB4 3M cable on fleabay for around $40, brand new in the box. Just be careful buying on the flea, as there are unscrupulous sellers stuffing cheap knockoff cables in to genuine boxes. As always, look at the sellers reviews and current listings to get an understanding of what you are buying and from whom.
If you look at this YouTube video from Adam Savage (previously of myth busters) you can see the differences between the cables. they explain exactly what makes a cable good for data and what makes it usable only for charging.. (if that).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD5aAd8Oy84&t=3s

You can also find Samsung high speed cables on the flea as well.. just do your homework before clicking on the BUY NOW button.

[jakontil]

Hi @photogar

Thanks, i have a thunderbolt cable that came with my external thunderbolt SSD and did a speed test
Weird though the int ssd in 907x and X2D was only read max speed at 600Mbps, shouldnt it be 1000Mbps as stated officially the X2D support USB C 3.1 gen 2 which i believe s 10Gbps speed

So it's like losing half of the designated speed.. or may be i might try my usb. 3.1 gen2 cable on X2D

May be afterall, a thunderbolt cable might not be fully compatible like the Leica M11 situation

[Hendrix_CI]

While the supplied USB C cable that comes with an X2D or 907x/CFV 100c is capable of tethering (and I've used it for that, sitting at my desk testing various things), my impression has always been that the purpose of the cable is really for charging the battery in-camera with the USB charging block, so it may not be ideal for tethering from a speed standpoint. Plus it's quite short. A more robust and longer (if necessary) USB C cable might be more ideal. And we would recommend using the external dual charger anyway, instead of the charging block.


Steve Hendrix/CI

[jakontil]

I too switched from my "normal" USB-C cable the cable Hasselblad that supplied with the X2D and it was amazing. Reading the SSD went from 100Mbps to over 600Mbs !

In addition I also charge my X2D while it's connected to the Mac. Arriving today: a new, longer USB4/T4 cable  ... just for for fun, as I want to test its speed against the Hasselblad supplied cable.

The good news is that the Hasselblad supplied cable performed exactly as the USB4/T4 cable.

I'd be interested to know how it goes.. please keep us updated

[photogar]

Hi @photogar

Thanks, i have a thunderbolt cable that came with my external thunderbolt SSD and did a speed test
Weird though the int ssd in 907x and X2D was only read max speed at 600Mbps, shouldnt it be 1000Mbps as stated officially the X2D support USB C 3.1 gen 2 which i believe s 10Gbps speed

So it's like losing half of the designated speed.. or may be i might try my usb. 3.1 gen2 cable on X2D

May be afterall, a thunderbolt cable might not be fully compatible like the Leica M11 situation

The thing with 'speed' is that it is only as fast as the slowest part of your system, generally.
To see the screaming speeds, you need to use equipment that is rate for that speed.
..meaning, if you are on an old Mac/PC with a USB C port, but the internal chips are slow and old, it will only be as fast as the host device (Mac/pc). And any slow devices that are plugged in to the same, may slow down the transfers.
It like putting tractor wheels on a Ferrari.. hopefully that made some sense.

All in all, don't worry too much about your speeds unless it truly impacts your workflow. That, as in the real world, the rated speeds are hard to achieve except in a lab.
If you have new kit and still are running slow, you will need to troubleshoot a bit. Try unplugging everything but the cable to the CFV, after you have restarted Mac/pc and camera. If that fixes it, plug in your other peripherals one by one until you see the speed drop, so you know which device - or combination of devices, kills the speed.
On my M2, I have to only run Microsoft products when I need them, but have learned not to let them run in the background while doing other tasks. Word and Excel kill the performance on my Mac. I generally use the apple programs instead, but some files need their mama..

[jakontil]

Hi @photogar

Thanks, i have a thunderbolt cable that came with my external thunderbolt SSD and did a speed test
Weird though the int ssd in 907x and X2D was only read max speed at 600Mbps, shouldnt it be 1000Mbps as stated officially the X2D support USB C 3.1 gen 2 which i believe s 10Gbps speed

So it's like losing half of the designated speed.. or may be i might try my usb. 3.1 gen2 cable on X2D

May be afterall, a thunderbolt cable might not be fully compatible like the Leica M11 situation

The thing with 'speed' is that it is only as fast as the slowest part of your system, generally.
To see the screaming speeds, you need to use equipment that is rate for that speed.
..meaning, if you are on an old Mac/PC with a USB C port, but the internal chips are slow and old, it will only be as fast as the host device (Mac/pc). And any slow devices that are plugged in to the same, may slow down the transfers.
It like putting tractor wheels on a Ferrari.. hopefully that made some sense.

All in all, don't worry too much about your speeds unless it truly impacts your workflow. That, as in the real world, the rated speeds are hard to achieve except in a lab.
If you have new kit and still are running slow, you will need to troubleshoot a bit. Try unplugging everything but the cable to the CFV, after you have restarted Mac/pc and camera. If that fixes it, plug in your other peripherals one by one until you see the speed drop, so you know which device - or combination of devices, kills the speed.
On my M2, I have to only run Microsoft products when I need them, but have learned not to let them run in the background while doing other tasks. Word and Excel kill the performance on my Mac. I generally use the apple programs instead, but some files need their mama..

FWIW my testing using Thunderbolt cable was also at about 660 Mbps. I had 20 Nikon raw files, about 45mgs .. took only a few seconds, less than 5. I don't shoot that many on an outing, so at these speeds, I'm quite happy.

Thanks for all the input, i managed to get the cable desired a usb c3.1 gen 2, i was able to get 660MBps which i think already optimized and not quite surprising the cable that came with 907x actually boats the same high speed transfer

@Patrick CM hi patrick i think u meant 660MBps since 660Mbps will translate to roughly 66MBps which considered slow as close to usb 2.0 speed which is 480 Mbps