H5D-50c vs H4D-60

[TimH]

I've been asked for some comparisons between the H4D-60 and the H5D-50c.  These first three pairs were shot at ISO 100 (which is base ISO for the H5D-50c; base for the H4D-60 is ISO50).  All were shot  within a minute of each other, and from the same stationary tripod.  These are all straight out of LR5 with no corrections or sharpening. 

With the HC 100
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23138385/h4d60_iso100_f11_45th.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23138385/h5d50c_iso100_f11_40th.jpg

With HC 50 II
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23138385/h4d60_iso100_f8_15th.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23138385/h5d50c_iso100_f8_15th.jpg

With HC 50 II
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23138385/h4d60_iso100_f8_125th.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23138385/h5d50c_iso100_f8_125th.jpg

When I first used the new camera I had the impression that the colors were hotter--a little more saturated and vibrant--than my older rig, but this isn't evident when you compare them side by side at ISO100.  The H4D-60 exposes 2/3 of a stop higher than the H5D-50c across all settings, but this is probably due to normal camera variation.  I'll be damned if I can tell any difference in resolution or sharpness between these two cameras.   The major differences are, of course, the crop factor and the ability of the H5D-50c to sing at higher ISOs. 

If anyone is interested, I'll continue to posts comparisons, next at higher ISO and faces. 

[Giorgio]

Great Tim, I appreciate it!
And yes, do post more as an H4D 60 user I find it helpful.
Thanks.

[Monty Rakusen]

Can you show it at 200iso?

This is the point at which things start to go to pieces!

Monty

[TimH]

I'm not sure of the protocol here, but I'm also posting these shots on another board.  If I have crossed some social-media etiquette line, please chalk it up to being too old to know any better. 

Here are two more pairs with the HC100. The first set was handheld. Interesting, even though the H4D-60 was 180th (as compared to 160th with the CMOS) it ran out of room with the highlights. Again, the 60 is at least 2/3 of a stop brighter than the 50.

Also interesting, I'm shooting Daylight WB. With the H4D-60, that converts to 5700 and 12 (temp and tint). With the H5D-50c it is 5900 and 26.

Manual:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...0_f8_180th.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...0_f8_160th.jpg

Aperture:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...0_f11_50th.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...0_f11_40th.jpg

None of these shots have been in exactly controlled setups, so they should be considered fairly preliminary and taken with a couple of grains of salt.

Finally, I'll shoot some deep shadows and low light conditions for comparisons.

[Monty Rakusen]

Im sorry I'm just getting error 404 from these links

[TimH]

Sorry about the dead links.  Try these.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23138385/3_h4d60_iso100_f8_180th.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23138385/3_h5d50c_iso100_f8_160th.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23138385/3_h4d60_iso400_f11_50th.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23138385/3_h5d50c_iso400_f11_40th.jpg

[shark81]

Can you shoot at night H5D 50C  and H4D 60 ? higher iso please if it is possible?

[Monty Rakusen]

For those interested in seeing the results of my first testing with the Hasselblad H5D 50c please download from this link.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xu681h7ty40icyo/50cTESTING_1.zip

BEWARE: This is a huge download 1.9GB and there are 4 images of around 300mb each, they are also in 16bit. You will need a powerful machine to view them.


This is the first testing. More to come.

Please NOTE all images are shot on The Hasselblad H5D 50c with the 100mm lens HAND HELD. They are shot into card and processed out through Phocus 2.8.1 on an iMac 3.5Ghz i7 with 32GB ram, no changes were made. Processing was not quick but satisfactory.
The images are full size 16bit tiff so you'll need a good machine to see them.

I have chosen difficult subjects with low light.

Frame No. 08          1/800 sec;   f/8;   ISO 1600  Note: The fly mid right.

Frame No.16           1/750 sec;   f/2.8;   ISO 3200

Frame No. 24          1/60 sec;   f/5.6;   ISO 3200

Frame No. 30          1/30 sec;   f/5.6;   ISO 1600

Your comments would be appreciated.

Kind regards

Monty Rakusen

www.rakusen.co.uk

[TimH]

I had to send my H5D-50c back to Hasselblad for a focus adjustment.  As some of you noted with a few of my tests, there were front focus issues with some of the shots.  I'll resume testing when I get it back in a few days.
tim

[jerome_m]

Frame No. 08          1/800 sec;   f/8;   ISO 1600  Note: The fly mid right.

Frame No.16           1/750 sec;   f/2.8;   ISO 3200

Frame No. 24          1/60 sec;   f/5.6;   ISO 3200

Frame No. 30          1/30 sec;   f/5.6;   ISO 1600

All these work, although I would not use iso 3200 unless absolutely necessary.

There is another interesting test here: http://www.getdpi.com/forum/medium-format-systems-digital-backs/50625-another-h5d-50-vs-h5d-50c.html.

Basically, the 50c should improve two stops over your existing 60, when using Phocus. Phocus noise reduction is actually pretty good. The 50c new cmos technology improves about one stop over the 40 (ccd with micro-lenses) and the 40 should improve about one stop over the 60 (due to micro-lenses).