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Title: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: pflower on January 11, 2018, 08:02:54 AM
Has anyone any experience of any of the Godox triggers and the X1D?  I am thinking of upgrading my flash (at present an assortment of speed lights) to either the Godox AD200 or possibly the 360 plus various soft boxes etc. - for what I do the 600 seems overkill.  I will use it mostly for environmental portraits and some still lives.  In theory the Godox triggers for the Nikon system ought to work - my present system is ridiculously cheap - a Youngnuo  trigger plus speed lights which works fine.  But before splashing out money I would like to reassure myself that the Godox route will actually work with the X1D.

I am not interest in TTL - only manual settings and will probably need 3 flash units.

Anyone with anything to say?

Thanks
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: PhotoKratky on January 12, 2018, 06:05:50 AM
Quote from: pflower on January 11, 2018, 08:02:54 AMI am not interest in TTL - only manual settings and will probably need 3 flash units.

I don't have a X1D but I use a Godox trigger (the Canon version of the X-pro) and receivers for my H5D-50c. You can still adjust the power on your Godox flash units remotely and trigger them via the hotshoe in manual mode. If they flashes themselves are fast enough (t0.1) they sync right down to 1/800s.
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: ferrantejohn on January 13, 2018, 05:21:39 AM
I use the Godox R2 triggers with my X1D on a daily basis without issue.  HSS with native lenses at 2000/s works perfectly.  Also adapted H lenses sync without issue as well.  They are the exact same trigger that Broncolor uses.  So everything works great. 
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: flash on January 13, 2018, 11:27:59 AM
I bought the Godox X1N trigger for my X1D and D200's. Doesn't work in TTL at all but manual is fine.

Maybe HB will improve compatibility for TTL in a later f.w. update.

Gordon
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: pflower on January 16, 2018, 01:49:34 AM
Thanks

Just to be clear, does the X1N trigger allow you to adjust the intensity of the flashes or do you have to adjust each one manually?



Quote from: flash on January 13, 2018, 11:27:59 AM
I bought the Godox X1N trigger for my X1D and D200's. Doesn't work in TTL at all but manual is fine.

Maybe HB will improve compatibility for TTL in a later f.w. update.

Gordon
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: tkhalloran on January 21, 2018, 11:22:21 AM
I have the X1N and it does allow you to change the intensity of the flashes.  I don't use any TTL and adjust the individual levels of the Godox flashes I am using.  There is a new Godox XProN that you may like .  I don't actually like the user interface on the X1N much,
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: Chriscove on March 06, 2018, 04:13:25 PM
I have a Flashpoint (Adorama rebranded Godox) mini zoom flash with a built in R2 radiotransciever for Nikon. The X1D fires the flash TTL on camera and will fire my AD200 in manual mode but will not fire by Explorer AD 600 at all. The R2 clearly is communicating with the AD600 because I can change the settings on the AD600 but when I hit the shutter no response. I will see if a firmware update helps it%
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: OleBe on March 07, 2018, 09:01:41 AM
Dear all,

I have got 2x Godox AD600 + XPro Trigger Nikon Version. Flash is communicating with the trigger, shows camera Icon, but not firing TTL. Manual mode however works perfect up to 1/2000 sec with now issues at all.

Hoping for a trigger firmware update. Have been in contact with Hasselblad and they told me after rechecking with software devs in Sweden, that it is not the firmware of the camera which is causing the trigger to not fire TTL.

Kind regards

Ole
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: Chriscove on March 07, 2018, 09:13:59 AM
I cannot get my AD600 to fire even manually. Which firmware does your Ad600 have?
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: OleBe on March 07, 2018, 09:35:42 AM
Have installed the lastest firmware available at godox.com both for the flash and trigger.

I think it is possible to install the godox firmware on the flashpoint flashes. Maybe you can try this?
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: Chriscove on March 07, 2018, 10:26:06 AM
Thanks that is my next try but I have to find a windows computer to do it on.

Chris
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: PhotoKratky on March 07, 2018, 11:45:46 PM
Quote from: Chriscove on March 07, 2018, 10:26:06 AM
Thanks that is my next try but I have to find a windows computer to do it on.

No, you don't actually  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SG1QpxnJxo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SG1QpxnJxo)
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: Chriscove on March 08, 2018, 04:00:39 AM
Thanks I am giving it a try and will let you know!!
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: Chriscove on March 09, 2018, 03:59:49 PM
Just a follow-up. I updated the firmware on the AD600 and all is well. It fires in mauls only but that is all I need. It is great because I can use the Godox with my Sony's and the Hassy!!
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers & X1D2--late 2020, still no TTL unlike Profoto and Westcott
Post by: rweissman on December 06, 2020, 07:11:25 PM
I just tried the newer X2(N) trigger on an X1Dii firing a Flashpoint equivalent of the Godox V1. Like others reported two years ago, it fires in manual mode and one can change the flash settings from the remote, but does not fire in TTL mode.  The Profoto Connect (Nikon version) works without incident on the A1 family of flashes in TTL, so that is one remote solution that works.  The new Westcott J1 strobe and multi-vendor trigger also works in TTL mode.  Does anyone know if Godox has plans to fix their firmware so that it is fully Hasselblad compatible?
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers & X1D2--late 2020, still no TTL unlike Profoto and Westcott
Post by: OleBe on December 06, 2020, 11:25:53 PM
Quote from: rweissman on December 06, 2020, 07:11:25 PM
I just tried the newer X2(N) trigger on an X1Dii firing a Flashpoint equivalent of the Godox V1. Like others reported two years ago, it fires in manual mode and one can change the flash settings from the remote, but does not fire in TTL mode.  The Profoto Connect (Nikon version) works without incident on the A1 family of flashes in TTL, so that is one remote solution that works.  The new Westcott J1 strobe and multi-vendor trigger also works in TTL mode.  Does anyone know if Godox has plans to fix their firmware so that it is fully Hasselblad compatible?

Actually I wrote Godox about one year ago. Never received a reply. Have heard from multiple Godox YouTubers that they are never replying to the end user. Only if a big distributor would bring this forward there would be a slight chance.

From what I understood they would need to upgrade their Nikon version for TTL. However, since all that time I am using the flashes in manual and they work perfectly as long as you keep in mind the flash duration vs. Shutter speed. I.E. the AD600 Pro has 1/220 sec of flash duration on full power, meaning with that power setting your shutter should be at maximum 1/200 to get the flash squeezed into the exposure time. Fortunately the flashes show their duration on every power setting, that helps a lot. :)



Title: Re: GodoxTriggers & X1D2--late 2020, still no TTL unlike Profoto and Westcott
Post by: disposable@tx.rr.com on December 07, 2020, 05:52:11 AM
Quote from: OleBe on December 06, 2020, 11:25:53 PM
Quote from: rweissman on December 06, 2020, 07:11:25 PM


..................the AD600 Pro has 1/220 sec of flash duration...................... Fortunately the flashes show their duration on every power setting, that helps a lot. :)
I also have the AD600 Pro and, my frequent admonishment to RTFM notwithstanding, I obviously missed that bit :)  I had never noticed the little flash duration notification in the lower left corner of the display. 

Thanks for mentioning this, it is useful information.
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: pss on December 08, 2020, 06:05:09 AM
I have several 600 pros and a few 1200 pro packs, I don't use TTL, everything works fine and as expected, I have both the XN triggers and they both work great, I prefer the newest one because each group has a dedicated button, helps with quick adjustments in bigger set ups....
Max flash duration is a key thing when working with Hasselblad since the lenses sync at all speeds....but (as with every manufacturer) at max output, the flash duration gets longer and longer....a 1/200 sec flash won't cover 1/2000 exposure.....I usually find that 1/1000 sync speed is enough to freeze most action and the 600 and 1200 are usually safe at 1/8 power setting...obviously the 1200 packs have one extra stop output at that level....
I still prefer it to having to use HSS......
does anyone know if the triggers allow adjustment of the actual sync timing? since the flash output is on a curve I was wondering if the timing could be adjusted to fit a slightly longer flash duration (for example 1/800) into a 1/1250 exposure.....some triggers have the option to adjust the timing, I have not found it on the godox/flashpoint triggers
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: OleBe on December 08, 2020, 07:27:27 AM
Quote from: pss on December 08, 2020, 06:05:09 AM
I have several 600 pros and a few 1200 pro packs, I don't use TTL, everything works fine and as expected, I have both the XN triggers and they both work great, I prefer the newest one because each group has a dedicated button, helps with quick adjustments in bigger set ups....
Max flash duration is a key thing when working with Hasselblad since the lenses sync at all speeds....but (as with every manufacturer) at max output, the flash duration gets longer and longer....a 1/200 sec flash won't cover 1/2000 exposure.....I usually find that 1/1000 sync speed is enough to freeze most action and the 600 and 1200 are usually safe at 1/8 power setting...obviously the 1200 packs have one extra stop output at that level....
I still prefer it to having to use HSS......
does anyone know if the triggers allow adjustment of the actual sync timing? since the flash output is on a curve I was wondering if the timing could be adjusted to fit a slightly longer flash duration (for example 1/800) into a 1/1250 exposure.....some triggers have the option to adjust the timing, I have not found it on the godox/flashpoint triggers

I am not aware that there is such an option. What comes to my mind however is a test I have done in the past to figure out the best ratio of flash power and sync time.

http://www.hasselbladdigitalforum.com/index.php?topic=5665.0

Maybe that could be helpful as well. :)
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: MaggieUmich on March 30, 2023, 02:13:13 PM
Hello Pflower,

I know this was years ago, but I just want to confirm if you used your Yongnuo speedlite for the Hasselblad X1D. If so, what is the trigger model? I have a Yongnuo trigger and speedlites that work well with Canon, but I have never tried them with the X1D out of fear of damaging the camera. Any low-budget solutions for a multi-light studio setting with the X1D would be extremely welcome. Thank you all for reading.

Maggie
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: Conner999 on March 31, 2023, 12:41:26 AM
This is a reply to an OLD post, but as an FYI, the Godox X2T transmitters do allow you to set a delay for flash under the , oddly enough, 'Delay" menu function.
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: Conner999 on March 31, 2023, 12:58:46 AM
Maggie,

Any flash/trigger made for Nikon (e.g with the Nikon pin configuration) would be fine - as would any flash with the small pins taped over or used with a 'dumb' adapter.

Non-Nikon-friendly units will not damage the camera per se (I've tried Fuji ones on our X1D2), but it COULD lock the camera up, as was the case with the H series, if you try and use it in TTL mode. The camera tries to communicate with the flash/radio, get jibberish or nothing, lockups and needs a battery removal and restart.

Given Hassy's implementation of Nikon TTL only seems to work with VERY few & specific products, any simple trigger/strobe scenario would work fine. Just ensure the trigger has a fast enough sync ability and the lights of fast enough flash duration to enable the fast flash sync of the X.

Oh, it may be a good idea to use triggers/strobes that would allow you to use Nikon TTL IF Hassy ever comes out with firmware that expands their Nikon TTL capability beyond a handful of Nikon speedlights and (reputedly) Profoto AiR for Nikon.

We moved from Profoto to Godox about 2 yrs ago and have no regrets.




Quote from: MaggieUmich on March 30, 2023, 02:13:13 PM
Hello Pflower,

I know this was years ago, but I just want to confirm if you used your Yongnuo speedlite for the Hasselblad X1D. If so, what is the trigger model? I have a Yongnuo trigger and speedlites that work well with Canon, but I have never tried them with the X1D out of fear of damaging the camera. Any low-budget solutions for a multi-light studio setting with the X1D would be extremely welcome. Thank you all for reading.

Maggie
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: Ralf on April 03, 2023, 03:24:42 AM
I have used the Godox flashes with the X-Pro N with my Nikons so far.  Now I want to do the same with the X2D.  Wireless flashing works perfectly with the Hasselblad in manual mode.  Sometimes, however, wireless TTL flashing is quite practical.  Unfortunately, this does not work in the connection of X2D with the X-Pro N.  Does anyone have experience as to whether the Godox X-Pro ii N can flash wirelessly with the X2D TTL?
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: Conner999 on April 03, 2023, 06:21:42 AM
I've yet to get TTL to work with Godox N units using the X1D2, and from what I've seen in various forums, the same is the issue with the X2D. I agree it is very handy often to be able to get a TTL first shot 'best guess' with some EV +/- when working from a distance, then lock it into manual and tweak.

Hassy appears to have baked their adoption of N TTL such that it only works with specific Nikon speedlights and, from what I've heard, Profoto AiR N triggers.

I've also read that some Godox speed lights like the VING 860IIN will work in TTL, but I've yet been able to get that verified and if true on-camera, will it also work when used solely as a remote controller (given the radio guts between the 860 and the naked triggers should be very similar).

Having moved from Profoto to Godox  2 years ago, I've no intention of going back, so I'm hoping Hassy updates the firmware at some point, but I'm not optimistic.
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: Ralf on April 04, 2023, 01:17:46 AM
The Godox V1n also works in TTL mode on the X2D hot shoe.  (AD200 and AD600 just don't have a flash shoe.)

I'm assuming this is a trigger issue.  Because the Profoto is supposed to work.  I also don't want to switch to Profoto, because I like the handling of Godox and it's also cheaper.  I asked Godox if the second version of the xpro n could flash with Hasselblad x TTL.  Let's see what they answer...
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: freusch on April 04, 2023, 02:16:28 AM
unfortunately not, I have xpro n II.
no ttl,
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: Ralf on April 04, 2023, 04:36:16 AM
Quote from: freusch on April 04, 2023, 02:16:28 AM
unfortunately not, I have xpro n II.
no ttl,

Shit
:-\
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: Conner999 on April 05, 2023, 01:17:06 AM
Ok, that's good to know.

So, will the V1N pass TTL instructions to other Godox flashes. In other words, will it also act as a radio-trigger only in TTL? It would be a clumsy way to do it, but better than nothing.

Quote from: Ralf on April 04, 2023, 01:17:46 AM
The Godox V1n also works in TTL mode on the X2D hot shoe.  (AD200 and AD600 just don't have a flash shoe.)

I'm assuming this is a trigger issue.  Because the Profoto is supposed to work.  I also don't want to switch to Profoto, because I like the handling of Godox and it's also cheaper.  I asked Godox if the second version of the xpro n could flash with Hasselblad x TTL.  Let's see what they answer...
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: Ralf on April 05, 2023, 08:38:18 AM
...The idea is not bad.  In fact, in Master TTL mode, the V1 triggers the other Godox flashes.  However, the TTL control does not seem to work.  When I stop down, the AD600 doesn't adjust and the picture gets darker, even though it says TTL on its display.  Unusual.

In addition, the V1 also flashes, although the master is set to "- -".  hmmm.... ???
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: Conner999 on April 05, 2023, 11:18:50 PM
Damn. That's what I was afraid of. Same happens when using X___ trigger. Everything says TTL, including the receiving strobe(s) and everything fires, but it's in dumb mode only.

Makes no bloody sense that the settings that trigger the strobe in TTL while on hotshoe can't be transmitted via that unit's onboard radio to other strobes, but..

Thanks for trying.
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: Ralf on April 06, 2023, 03:51:26 AM
So far I was only aware of two "toads" that I had to "swallow" with the purchase of the X2D:
1. that Hasselblad omitted the socket for the cable release and that you can only release it remotely via iOS and
2. that it is instead of belt loops  there are not quite trustworthy belt bolts.

I knew both before I bought it and still decided on the X2D instead of the X1D ii or even the Fuji GXF because of other obvious advantages.

The fact that I now have to "swallow another toad" with the missing wireless TTL at Godox just frustrates me a bit.

As a small "walk around" solution, I'll try a Profoto A1.  In the studio I find the missing TTL tolerable and will stick with Godox.
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: Conner999 on April 06, 2023, 05:48:43 AM
Toads I saw moving from GFX to X1D2:

- Flash TTL. I work a lot with animals and when out of studio being able to get a spot-metered TTL shot w/some EV comp dialed-in for a 'very, very close' first shot with strobe is invaluable.  I can use an L-858D-U to get a reflected ambient vs. flash component reading, but it's kludgy and a much slower process.

-Lack of ability to reverse the control wheels. I prefer SS on the front dial vs aperture.

I hear you on those $%^&U* old-school strap posts vs. eyelets and loops. I HATED them on the GFX-50S. 

Question: If the Godox V1 works in TTL as a speedlight, why acquire a Profoto A1 to get TTL in the same form factor?
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: Ralf on April 06, 2023, 09:56:36 AM
I hope that the A1 will enable wireless TTL flashing.  The V1 can only do TTL on the camera, and I rarely use a flash there.
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: Conner999 on April 07, 2023, 12:27:56 AM
Ah, ok. Yeah same here on on-camera use. Sigh.
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: Ralf on April 07, 2023, 10:11:44 PM
Godox's answer:

Dear Ralf,
Good day!

May this mail find you well.
As you know, XProN and XProIIN are designed for Nikon cameras.
We have consulted our technicians for you, they say that the XProN and XProIIN only work with TTL on Nikon cameras.

Hope this information is of use to you.
Should you have any further queries, please do not hesitate to contact us again.
--
Sincerely,
W...  X...
—————————————————
Godox Service Support
Tel: +86-0755-82353093
Website: https://www.godox.com/
Address: Building 2&4, Yaochuan Industrial Zone, Tangwei Community, Fuhai Street, Bao'an District, Shenzhen 518103, China
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: Dicky on April 08, 2023, 06:29:43 AM
Theres always the "wild-card" work-around suggestion 8)

The delights of applying some "old-school-ways" with doing all flash-metering manually, with a grey-card and flash-spot meter too!
Sorted always, in a second or two, exposed perfectly, in-camera, to 1/10th of a stop, without any issues and/or weird-happenings!

Best wishes 8)
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: Ralf on April 12, 2023, 03:14:32 AM
Briefly for information:

Profoto A1 with Profoto Air Remote TTL-N can wireless TTL flash with the X2D (provided the latest Profoto firmware updates are installed).
Title: Re: GodoxTriggers and the X1D
Post by: Conner999 on April 12, 2023, 11:00:05 PM
Good to know.

As a further FYI, the new Adorama R2 ProIIN does not work in TTL. Picked one up for the form factor + BT and it's a MUCH better design than the Godox-branded version:

As said before, has BlueTooth
More discrete buttons vs. menu item jumps
Larger Group buttons with better placement
Taller so no longer bumps eyebrow
New flip-style hotshoe lock

Godox App works fine with it as does X1D2 - in manual mode.